Stamps/Stamp & Coin Auction219 messages

I wouldn't make too big dramas out of it. After all, the world will not end (and you will not be locked up in a prison camp for 2 years for singing in the church).

I understand Catawiki's employees. This is a decision that Rene or Marco have to make.

Then say that and don't close the discussion as if we were little children.

It's not about who's right, the auctioneer has a point, the angry administrators have a point, anything is possible , but bang bang the door shut, let me put it this way it's starting to become an annoying, rude tradition.

It escalates every time because ... and then this afterwards and this has been said .... that would not have been said if the discussion had just continued normally.

Why every time this unnecessary dejavu ???? Why ????

If I would treat our users like this at work, I would be at home for a long time

The auctioneer has a point .. the auctioneer has a point !!

The auctioneer has no point at all

List items in the auction that are not in the catalog and by not having to add the seller to the catalog is an attack on the foundations of Catawiki

And allowing the auction to continue because it earns a few euros and that is more important than showing respect to all collectors and volunteers and the work they have delivered and continue to provide to the catalog is VERY stupid

Arwin:

Het zit me inmiddels zo hoog, dat ik ook niet meer geïnteresseerd ben in eventuele excuses van Jos.
De enige manier waarop dit voor mij nog bevredigend kan aflopen, is als dit de laatste veiling van Jos is, en Catawiki op zoek gaat naar een veilingmeester die wel begrijpt dat het belangrijk is dat men zich aan de afgesproken regels houd.

Waarom zou Jos moeten vertrekken als het reglement (al dan niet mer verborgen deel) niet door hem is opgesteld, en hij precies de handelswijze voert die hierin beschreven staat?

Dan kun je beter eerst vragen stellen aan degene die het beleid geschreven hebben, bijvoorbeel bij Daan, hij is in eerste instantie begonnen bij de postzegelveiling voordat Jos het overnam. Wellicht kan Daan meer laten weten over de vraag waarom het zo geregeld is.

Ik snap ook heus wel dat het "meten met 2 maten" is, maar dan moet eerst de lijn door catawiki worden rechtgetrokken.

Maar zeggen dat Jos moet vertrekken omdat hij werkt volgens de richtlijnen zoals al voor zijn komst is geschreven, vind ik totaal onterecht!

Arwin:

It is now so high that I am no longer interested in any apologies from Jos.
The only way this can end satisfactorily for me is if this is Jos's last auction, and Catawiki is looking for an auctioneer who understands the importance of adhering to the agreed rules.

Why should Jos have to leave if the regulations (whether or not with hidden part) were not drawn up by him, and he follows exactly the course of action described herein?

Then it is better to first ask questions to those who wrote the policy, for example with Daan, he initially started at the stamp auction before Jos took over. Perhaps Daan can let us know more about the question of why it has been arranged this way.

I also understand that it is "measuring with 2 sizes", but then the line must first be straightened by catawiki.

But saying that Jos has to leave because he works according to the guidelines as written before his arrival, I think is completely unjustified!

Bitch ,

Anyone who has a point is actually worst for me, the lack of respect for the users ° administrator and the way of rude cutting off ... that is what I am really starting to do .

And who did it immediately .... right .... did it done it got the T-shirt.

Just answer, start the discussion, don't crawl away or To be silent.

The voluntary administrators do not deserve that in my opinion, whoever gets or has his way is worst, it is about the right after voluntary services to be paid attention and taken seriously me now angry, this treatment no one here deserves

Items in de veiling aanbieden die niet in de catalogus staan en door de aanbieder niet aan de catalogus toegevoegd hoeven worden is een aantasting aan de fundamenten van catawiki

Uiteraard zou het terecht zijn als alle aangeboden items eerst in de catalogus moeten worden gezet.

Ik kan in het reglement ook nergens terugvinden dat items die niet in de catalogus staan wel aangeboden mogen  worden.

Maar waar het mij om gaat is dat er wel staat dat er bij grote partijen geen koppeling gemaakt hoeft te worden, en Jos wordt hierop nu afgerekend terwijl dit beleid is geschreven voor zijn komst!

Offering items in the auction that are not in the catalog and do not have to be added to the catalog by the seller is a violation of the foundations of catawiki

Of course it would be right if all offered items had to be put in the catalog first.

I can't find anywhere in the regulations that items that are not in the catalog may be offered.

But what concerns me is that it does say that no link needs to be made with large parties, and Jos is now being held accountable for this, while this policy was written before his arrival!

Maar waar het mij om gaat is dat er wel staat dat er bij grote partijen geen koppeling gemaakt hoeft te worden, en Jos wordt hierop nu afgerekend terwijl dit beleid is geschreven voor zijn komst!

Dat is dus de crux hier: geen duidelijke, openlijke afspraken.

Items in de veiling aanbieden die niet in de catalogus staan en door de aanbieder niet aan de catalogus toegevoegd hoeven worden is een aantasting aan de fundamenten van catawiki

Dat is iets wat tot dusver altijd gedaan werd en ik sta er ook 100% achter. Maar er staat volgens mij nergens zwart op wit in de reglementen dat dat zo moet.

Conclusie: maak duidelijke afspraken en maak die ook openbaar (dat is niet enkel zo voor deze discussie).

But what concerns me is that it does say that no link needs to be made with large parties, and Jos is now being held accountable for this, while this policy was written before his arrival!

So that's the crux here: no clear, overt agreements.

Offering items in the auction that are not in the catalog and do not have to be added to the catalog by the seller is a violation of the foundations of catawiki

That is something that has always been done so far and I support it 100%. But I don't think there is anywhere black and white in the regulations that this should be the case.

Conclusion: make clear agreements and make them public (this is not only the case for this discussion).

Sorry Johan, but no, this is not about a line in an email that is only sent to providers of items

The point is that the foundations of Catawiki are affected and that nothing is done because it earns a few euros and THAT is considered the most important

And now tie that turban around your mouth, Sinbad. First wipe the shit off, of course ... (;-)
Until Monday there will be no movement from the fort, otherwise we will roll over each other for two more days. I don't see any new arguments, just repetitions of moves. Now let's start doing fun things again, I suggest.

(And by the way, I won't let go on Monday either, because it is Ranomi's and I's birthday. We just don't know where we are celebrating yet ... (;-))

@ Steef.

I understand that frustration that it is not clear, but why does Jos have to be judged on this, while he has just been involved in the auction for a few weeks, and this policy is already in place before his arrival made?

I understand that everything that is offered should also be included in the catalog, and I agree with that. But for large parties it is mandatory to link everything together.

But saying that Jos has to leave because he works according to the guidelines as already written before his arrival, I think is totally unjustified!

Johan, I start my text with:

Not even from the discussion about whether or not everyone can see rules about linking.

Don't include that in your response to me
He has been told several times that it is not the intention that items that are not in the catalog end up at the auction, but Jos apparently has nothing to do with that.

It is just an inconvenient rule apparently, so why should he stick to it?

Rules are there for everyone.
Anyone who doesn't want to stick to them should just leave as soon as possible .
Then you are apparently not suitable to work on a wiki site, so end the exercise.
That applies to importers, shops and administrators.
And that also applies to Jos.
I. take it all very highly.
I find the whole attitude of Jos in this case just a disappointment for Catawiki.

If I do something in the catalog and there is criticism about it, then I go there just click on.
That is called accountability, and I do that to users of this site, and if necessary to my fellow administrators.
Whether you agree is another story, but I walk myself In any case, never away from it.
Apparently Jos thinks that he only has to answer to Marco and René, but he is wrong about that.
That is getting your way through despite all the criticism, and then thinking that you can get away with it from Marco and René.
Catawiki we make collectors, administrators and shops together.
Together we are this site, and that goes further than just Marco and René.
Check administrators whether everything goes according to the rules that we have all agreed.
And if those managers come with criticism, an auctioneer has d take it seriously, whether it suits him or not.

Just going on with your auction and ignoring the criticism is unacceptable.
And then as far as I'm concerned it's just the end story.

@Johan

Maybe because Jos is the one who is pushing it through now and is deaf to all good arguments?

Jos must certainly know that catawiki is in the first place a (wiki) catalog

He knows he started working at Catawiki and not at Marktplaats or eBay

Arwin:

Don't include that in your response to me.
He has been told several times that it is not intended that items that are not in the catalog will end up at the auction, but apparently Jos has nothing to do with that.

I did not know that Jos has been told this several times. Otherwise, I would have responded differently.

It was probably addressed directly by administrators, or in an administrator area.

Zelf zeg ik:

Alles dat wordt aangeboden behoord wel in de catalogus te staan, maar alles met een waarde van een paar centen uit een bulk aanbieding gaan koppelen is onzinnig.

Hij reageert met:

Het gaat ook zeker niet ten koste van, want als we iemand zouden verplichten om bijvoorbeeld 300 zegels te koppelen en er dan ook nog eens 200 aan te maken omdat ze nog niet in de Catawiki catalogus staan, gaat hij of zij dat zeker niet doen, dus 0% winst voor de Catawiki catalogus, Catawiki zelf en de postzegel- en muntenveiling.

Daar komt terecht kritiek op van diverse mensen, omdat dit gewoon tegen de regels is.
Eerst zegt Arco er iets van, daarna Steef specifiek over het niet opnemen in de catalogus, wat ik later nog eens beaam.

Later is er ook nog deze reactie:

Persoonlijk dacht ik dat er wel een compromis bereikt zou kunnen worden. Met uitzondering van kavels 7, 20 en 57, want die items komen helemaal niet voor in de catalogus en dat is wat mij betreft echt een doodzonde.

Het is inderdaad een doodzonde en een schoffering naar iedereen die zijn best doet de catalogus compleet te maken.

Los van of hij het weet of niet, zou hij toch ook wel moeten begrijpen dat als we van gebruikers en winkels eisen dat ze met een goede afbeelding komen, dit zelfde ook voor de veilingen geldt.
En aan die afbeeldingen mankeerd ook van alles, is hem ook duidelijk kenbaar gemaakt.

Maar goed, mijn grootste kritiek punt is wel dat alles en iedereen genegeerd wordt, en deze veilingmeester zijn eigen weg denkt te kunnen gaan.
Maar zo zijn we dus niet getrouwd bij Catawiki.
En als het later blijkt dat we wel zo getrouwd zijn, ga ik direct scheiden, want hier wil ik niet mee verbonden zijn.

I myself say:

Everything that is offered should be in the catalogue, but linking everything with a value of a few cents from a bulk offer is nonsensical.

He responds with:

It is certainly not at the expense of, because if we were to force someone to, for example, link 300 stamps and then also create another 200 because they are not yet in the Catawiki catalogue, he or she will certainly not do that. so 0% profit for the Catawiki catalogue, Catawiki itself and the stamp and coin auction.

This is rightly criticized by various people, because this is simply against the rules.
First Arco says something about it, then Steef specifically about not including it in the catalogue, which I later agree with.

Then there is also this comment:

Personally, I thought that a compromise could be reached. With the exception of lots 7, 20 and 57, because those items do not appear in the catalog at all and that is really a mortal sin as far as I am concerned.

It is indeed a mortal sin and an insult to anyone who tries to complete the catalog.

Regardless of whether he knows it or not, he should also understand that if we require users and shops to come up with a good image, the same applies to the auctions.
And those images also lacked everything, he was also clearly made known.

Anyway, my biggest criticism is that everything and everyone is ignored, and this auctioneer thinks he can go his own way.
But that's not how we got married at Catawiki.
And if it turns out later that we are married like that, I will divorce immediately, because I don't want to be connected to this.

Oops ... compr omis , of course.

Heb het meteen maar even aangepast Peter, en verder ga ik deze hele discussie hier komend weekend negeren.

Er is wel weer genoeg gezegd zo, en komend weekend wordt het al warm genoeg.

Just changed it right away Peter, and otherwise I'm going to ignore this whole discussion here next weekend.

Enough has been said, and next weekend it will be warm enough.

Ik vraag mij af wat een andere veilingmeester zoals bv Tammo Meedendorp zou doen als ik een stapel van 50 strips aanbied voor de veiling met alleen de vermelding gedeeltelijk gevouwen zoals in kavel 20 en met 1 foto waarin alles op een hoop ligt

@Tammo Meedendorp

Zou ik dan bij u kans maken dat het tot de veiling toegelaten word?

I wonder what another auctioneer such as Tammo Meedendorp would do if I offered a stack of 50 comics for auction with only the statement partially folded as in lot 20 and with 1 photo in which everything is in a pile

@Tammo Meedendorp

Would I have a chance with you that it will be admitted to the auction?

I do not want to interfere with the Discussion.

But what I do think a Gospe is that both Marco and Rene (I assume that these are the two Chiefs?) are not accessible?

I have been Self-employed for years and if you have your own business, you have it 365 days a year,

and especially if you work with Two the management must be A always reachable, otherwise a Cause that you have built up with a lot of effort and years of hard work within Weeks to the KL .....

Baron.

@ steef you hit the nail on the head

@steef

that is now the result of the semi-soft policy of admission. This junk belongs on Marktplaats or Ebay, not CW!

Note: I say junk because none of it has been recorded in CW ... the rest is known ...

Oefff, you think you will have a great weekend thanks to the nice weather. Then you get the message that suddenly a huge commotion has arisen about lots at the P & amp; M auction. Just when both managers have a small overlap in their deserved vacation.

We will of course evaluate this whole incident and come up with suggestions for improvement. Beforehand, however, I would like to debunk the very personal criticism of my colleague auctioneer Jos. From the first Stamp and Coin auction there have been lots on the auction, of which it is simply impossible and impossible to link them per item. There were lots of this kind in all P&M auctions. Every auctioneer can make his own assessment.

As an example of how this can manifest itself in comics, you can look at lot 101 . It is impossible to link each page of all those scrapbooks separately to the catalog and because it is a very attractive lot for collectors, we have decided to allow this anyway.

Fortunately, auctioneers are people and not robots who must never and cannot make mistakes. It is mainly about how we can learn from this. It is a pity that it is now playing during the holiday period, but that this has a high priority, is clear.

Tammo

@Tammo

Thank you for the answer

Not quite what I hoped for but on the other hand I can understand giving a diplomatic answer

However, the difference between lot 101 in the comics and lot 20 is huge

Hope that the evaluation will distance itself from the statement that it is not necessary to add items to the catalog by provider at an auction because that is too much work, that is the one thing that does not suit me the most

That you do not link everything with a stamp album with a thousand or more stamps, I can fully pay, but a a few indications might be enough