Stamps/Stamp & Coin Auction219 messages

I suspect johan1614 is talking about something emailed to auction providers, Morits. And if that is the case, then there is already the error and more the question is: 'Why has something that is sacred to us all, without consultation, ended up in those conditions so horribly contradictory?'
Basically does not matter to this discussion , because I don't think anyone played a black hat on the auction providers

That's right Arco,

It is indeed in the description that is sent by email.

So what Jos does now was already recorded BEFORE he became auctioneer for the stamps and coins .

So you absolutely cannot accuse Jos of doing something wrong, he does exactly what has been laid down, even before he started at Catawiki.

Oops, I'm a bit shocked by the escalation of the discussion. I had intended to bring up this point in the Administrator's Forum (where tempers get heated from time to time) but I did not pay close attention when choosing the rubric. What surprises me again is the striking reluctance of the stamp managers.

What struck me originally is not only that some providers do not make links with the catalog, but also that others do take the trouble, also for large numbers of. On eBay and Marktplaats the listing is the responsibility of the sellers themselves, but in an auction like this uniformity is very important and the rules should be the same for everyone.

Personally I thought that a compomis was reached. could become. With the exception of lots 7, 20 and 57, because those items do not appear in the catalog at all and that is a real sin in my opinion.

There are actually 2 things here:

1) Do you have to click on each individual item when making a bulk sale? I don't think that's necessary, as long as there is a clear description of the items. But yes, that must be said clearly.

2) Do the items have to be in the Catawiki catalog? I think we should insist on that, otherwise you will be playing with the feet of all those collectors who make the effort to fill in everything neatly.

I do not believe that anyone has given the auction providers a black pete.

Of course I started with the wording " is by some providers still scoffed at the conditions ".

Since I am also not familiar with the existence of conditions other than those mentioned on the site, I did indeed (and apparently incorrectly) assumed that it should be blamed on the providers.

@Comics Pins,

Oops, I'm a bit shocked by the escalation of the discussion. I had intended to bring up this point in the Administrator's Forum (where tempers get heated from time to time) but I did not pay close attention when choosing the section.

No Comic pins, now we users can see how you (the voluntary administrators) also put in your hard and soul for the users and Catawiki catalog. And defend our origins.

A good and reassuring thing, no matter how the discussion goes, your convincing commitment and faith in the matter adorns you and makes me as a user (who also put 1,000 hours into it) ), thank you for having a look in the kitchen.

What surprises me again is the striking reticence of the stamp managers.

This observation is (unfortunately) years old.

So what Jos is doing now was already recorded BEFORE he became the auctioneer for the stamps and coins.

So you absolutely cannot accuse Jos of doing something wrong, he does exactly what has been laid down, even before he started at Catawiki.

Sorry, but Jos has no blinders on, I assume, and the discussion shows exactly where the objections are? Having a discussion about incorrect terms and conditions that have not been published is pointless. Nobody comes to that idea, not even Jos, because otherwise he would have named it.

If Catawiki makes those regulations, and hands them over to Jos when he becomes auctioneer, then you can't blame him for accepting that offer for the auction?

Then you'd better ask questions of those who drew up these regulations when the auction started.

Who's in charge now ? If Rene and Marco aren't there? (Just curious)

There are actually 2 things here:

1) Do you have to click on each individual item in a bulk sale? I don't think that's necessary, as long as there is a clear description of the items. But yes, that must be said clearly.

2) Do the items have to be in the Catawiki catalog? I think we should insist on that, otherwise you will be playing with the feet of all those collectors who make the effort to fill in everything neatly.

I fully support this!

With bulk offer it does not seem necessary to me to click on everything 1 by 1, but photos / scans of the material offered is important.

If items are offered that are not yet in the catalog, then you can indeed say that they must be entered first.

@Johan,

I fully support this!

Yes, I do too, but that is actually not the discussion, there are rules (and the voluntary administrators monitor these) and there are business interests ... and they are now clashing.

And there is no (or at least an unsatisfactory) solution because Catawiki is now leaderless.

Gentlemen administrators do I describe the situation correctly?

If it is not necessary for coins and stamps to include the items from the lots in CW first, what is the point of the auction? I mean, why don't those providers go to Ebay or Marktplaats? Or if it is thought purely commercially, we will remove that turnover from Ebay and Marktplaats, but then you are doing violence to the idea of Catawiki and then you have, as Arco mentioned before: a distracting CW

Catawiki must stimulate sales to generate turnover, for this it hires staff, which means it has even more costs, so it has to generate more turnover to get out of the costs, so commerce becomes more and more important .... Catawiki is, of course, going a certain way and cannot actually go back. The idealistic volunteers are taken increasingly unimportant / less powerful / less seriously.

Or am I very badly pooping now?

The whole auction has of course taken off with the beard hairs ( to generate sales) the added value for Catawiki catalog is in my opinion 0

Or am I very much defecating now?

Yes, go and put on your diaper. (;-)

Yes, put on your diaper. (;-)

I will put my turban on something else (handy, my turban)

Leaving aside the discussion about whether or not everyone can see rules about matching.
This also concerns items that are totally substandard for other reasons.
Then I am talking about banknotes that are the photo has been lumped together for a moment, and lots where not all items are shown, but only a selection.
Or have hidden agreements been made about this?
Putting items in the auction that are not in the catalog , is like tweaking the constitution of Catawiki for a few extra cents.

We ask importers of the catalog to abide by the rules.
We set pretty high standards for importers here. .
We also set requirements for shops on Catawiki.
Administrators who deliberately persist in ignoring agreed rules can leave.
This also applies to auctioneers, I think.

But apparently Jos thinks that his auction is on an island, and that the rules don't apply to him
The rules count for everyone, and twice as hard for administrators and auctioneers.
A site like Catawiki only has a right to exist if rules are observed, the alternative is chaos.
It is now so high on me, that I am no longer interested in any apologies from Jos.
The only way this can end satisfactorily for me is if this is Jos' last auction, and Catawiki is looking for an auctioneer who understands that it is important that people adhere to the agreed rules.

Continuing the auction like this, and only coming up with a response after the weekend makes no sense.
Why do we have to let this rest until after the weekend
We are talking about a Catawiki employee who thinks the rules do not apply to him.
That is serious enough I think.

Doing ostrich politics and hoping it will blow over is not the right path to take now

Do the right thing and do it now

In 20 minutes, the whole of Catawiki will be on the beach, so there won't be much time left, Steef ... (;-)

(And that smiley is actually me-kidding- hack.)

Well on the beach it is much easier to bury your head in the sand (;-)

The voluntary administrators are taken seriously.

Actually I was a bit shocked by the disrespect sorry

Fear is a bad advisor, and I have the strong impression that the people at Catawiki are terribly afraid of something or someone. Not for us ... that has become clear by now. (;-)

This gives me vicarious shame.

As soon as the holidaymakers return, I would therefore like to argue for a kind of culture change, with accompanying communication, where no one is more Shame on you.

But you can't say at 12.36 "it's done"

Then a whole club of hard-working volunteers say it's not ready, and then just ignore it ... I think it's disrespectful , rude, demeaning, arrogant, screwing up, unreliable and associative ... sorry

It must be me though (put on a clean diaper / turban)

They are all nice people at Catawiki, so that's not the fault.

It's the clumsiness of adult employees that bothers me. Apparently people just don't know what to do with the situation. And then they sit on their hands, which is the worst thing you can do in such a case.

Arco

They are all nice people at Catawiki, so that's not the fault.

That's not what I say but the reaction or actually I find the lack of it disrespectful, rude, belittling, arrogant, screwing up, unreliable and associative ... sorry

And that it comes from a kind of desperation and 'not knowing how to handle the situation' a second one.

But the discussion at 12.35 in panic to cut off one-sidedly is a serious weakness

Ben het eens met Arwin , wilde ook materiaal op de veiling gaan aanbieden maar wacht nog wel even .

Veilingvoorwwaarden ( de regels ) heb ik al wel , partijen en of verzamelingen hoeven niet aan de catalogus te worden gekoppeld .

Foto materiaal vind ik slordig , met de regels gaat het nogal eens mis jammer .
Er mogen geen beschadigde zegels worden aangeboden = een vetgedrukte catawiki regel toch gebeurd dit ook regelmatig op de veiling
 

Ben er inmiddels achter dat teveel regels ook niet werkt  

Agree with Arwin , wanted to offer material at the auction as well but wait a while .

I already have the auction conditions ( the rules ) , lots and / or collections do not need to be linked to the catalog .

I find photo material sloppy , things often go wrong with the rules , too bad .
No damaged stamps may be offered = a bold Catawiki rule, yet this also happens regularly at the auction

I've found out that too many rules doesn't work either