Stamps/Stamp & Coin Auction219 messages

I consulted for a while. Jos is at Hollandfila in Barneveld today and cannot respond himself.

I will take a look at both lots:

Lot 47 NL 1947 Service stop printing field parts

This indeed concerns field parts and this is within the stamp catalog has made an agreement that they will not be recorded in the catalog. Not everyone agrees with this, because there are people who think that you should record them in the catalog. Anyway, that is the agreement that currently applies. So that is why they are linked to the series that contains all the stamps that are on the sheets. The discussion whether or not sheet parts should be included in the catalog is a separate discussion.

Lot 69 NL 1962 Sheet landscape stamps

All around the recording of sheets in the stamp catalog is the agreement that they may be recorded, but that the goal is not to get all sheets complete in Catawiki. In this case, it concerns very large sheets (almost one meter long) that are difficult to scan or photograph as a whole. That is why it has been decided to photograph some of the sheets and to refer to the relevant catalog items, since large quantities of these items are involved so that it is clear what it is all about.

So for both lots an assessment made by the auctioneers on the basis of current agreements within the stamp catalog.

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@sinbad

ff a curious question: are sheets and sheet parts that are currently being discussed in any catalog?

@ Kalf999: I have looked at all the photos, but I don't see any stamps from the Clocks series.

In the original series of photos provided by the supplier, these stamps were on the photos. However, the photos were not completely clear and we asked the provider to take the photos again. He did, but did not photograph the same selection of pages from the book at the time. As a result, the page with the relevant stamp has not been included with the new series of photos. Well spotted!

Since this lot already has bids, people have seen that these stamps are in it, and because they are actually part of the lot, we leave them for now. We asked the provider to take a photo of the page where the stamps are on. As soon as we have it, we'll put it on it. Will be fine.

It is a pity that you can no longer enter everything. :(

I thought we could collect everything? As Sinbad said, a sheet is very different from a separate stamp! I think that should also be entered as a separate item. Well, luckily I am not stamp collector (at least not as fanatic anymore, but still look at the Disney stamps), but it is clear that this beautiful (Post) stamp catalog has not started well and is still forming. also not well constructed (no good or many secret agreements have been made) and everything goes wrong.

I really like it with (post) stamps, those batches of (post) stamps as lots, but there must be a good look at a way to offer it in CataWiki. It is clear that it does not go according to the (known to us) CataWiki system, I hope that a nice solution can be found for this, without these branch of CataWiki goes down and there are more victims If your Avatar is also lost, Arwin had a very nice one)

Furthermore, I hope it is not contagious and spills into one of my more important collection areas (Games, Video Games, Postcards, Comics or Records). I don't know if I would use this system for a long time.

Sinbad, take heart, we have to pull out all the stops now and get through a big storm! Where do you keep that with who quit? Since that unsubscribe button, it no longer appears in the forum. Would that also have had a Marketing-technical reasons? (you will no longer see it in the active topics). Unfortunately, this post makes me think more and more gloomy.

Fortunately it remains a forum and I'm a very patient man.

@Morits

@sinbad

ff a curious question: are sheets and sheet parts currently under discussion also in any catalog?

No .. (well sometimes yes and sometimes not in Catawiki why sometimes yes and sometimes not only the '' god '' who alone makes the contradicting beatific agreements knows) If we are going to take that as a yardstick, the added value of Catawiki is really getting 0

It is a pity that you can no longer enter everything. :(

Catawiki is a catalog, and administrators manage that catalog, as agreed. They may also determine whether an item has been entered against the rules and should therefore not be included.

An auction is attached to the catalog as a secondary activity, and auctioneers determine whether or not a lot is interesting enough to be auctioned. apart from the discussion about the obligation of inclusion in the catalog, because I don't feel like that at the moment.)

As soon as auctioneers determine whether a single item or single items whether or not it should be included in the catalog, my hair stands on end, because most auctioneers have no idea at all of all the agreements that have been made between the managers in the past four years. task and they should not make any statements there do over. Everyone has their 'trade'.

If this line of thought is embraced and followed by the Catawiki Team, it would take a lot of cold out of the air, I think, because those few sheets really should be introduced. And if they are very large, you should move a little further away from them when you take a picture. Nobody is against paparazzi quality if there is no other way.

If we accept the nonsense argument put forward (last week it was only about bulk imports and see ... now all of a sudden there are also individual items up for discussion), then the following nonsense arguments are lined up again to be used as additional reasons for once again not including something in the catalog. And so it goes from bad to worse and the content of the catalog is therefore partly determined by the generally Catawiki-knowledge-less auctioneers.

If something is not right, you can do two things: increasing the size of the bracket or accepting that something cannot go through the bracket. Guess what I choose.

Young, young, what do people care about. Whether or not in the catalog will be a pain to me. It makes money for Catawiki and buyers are very happy with it. What more could a person want!

@bertvaneijk

You are therefore not an administrator, it must be hard for us ...

Sorry, but I don't know what an administrator has to do with an auction. I thought only the auctioneer. But I could be wrong here. Perhaps it can be explained what an administrator has to do with the auction? The sellers also benefit from an uncomplicated auction. Only a win win situation. Nobody gets any worse.

@Bertvaneijk, wat ga je snel door de bocht, het is de bedoeling om toch een redelijke site en veiling te organiseren, die dus niet lijkend op een marktplaats of ebay.

aan jou gesprek te merken, denk je dat alleen maar om verkoop gaat,

het oog wil ook wat, dus je kunt niet denken het zal me een worst zijn.

Dat het allemaal zo gaat zoals het gaat, daar vind ik CW de schuldige aan, eveneens geef ik de schuld aan mensen die zo denken zoals je zelf, en daardoor krijg je ook zoveel prut op de site of in de veiling, totaal alleen maar voor eigen belang, verkoop, verkoop en nog eens verkoop. en de spelregels worden aan hun laars gelakt.

respecteer de regels of ga anders op marktplaats of ebay je onzin verkopen.

het benutten van de mooie invoer van andere mensen en zelf prut scan plaatsen toont totaal geen gevoel voor zoals het zou moeten werken op CW.

en dat geld ook voor de CW regels

en zo niet dan ben je geen CW gebruiker waardig.

@Bertvaneijk, you are going too fast, the intention is to organize a reasonable site and auction, which does not resemble a marketplace or ebay.

from your conversation, do you think it's just about sales,

the eye also wants something, so you can't think it will be a sausage for me.

That it all goes the way it goes, I think CW is to blame for that, I also blame people who think like yourself, and that's why you get so much mess on the site or in the auction, totally just for self-interest, sale, sale and more sale. and the rules of the game are nailed to their boot.

respect the rules or else sell your nonsense on marketplace or ebay.

exploiting other people's nice inputs and posting rubbish scan yourself shows no sense of how it should work on CW at all.

and that also applies to the CW rules

and if not then you are not worthy of a CW user.

@bertvaneijk

Ik geloof dat je het nog steeds niet snapt, nog meer van deze verzamelaars en catawiki is ter ziele of opgenomen in de Ebay club!

Uitgangspunt is de catalogus deze valt of staat met juiste invoer en zo niet dat deze compleet word gemaakt.

Een van de instrumenten zijn de verzamelaars.

Dan heb je beheerders die de kwaliteit proberen te waarborgen en te helpen dat de items en hun beschrijvingen overeen komen.

Daarnaast heb je de handel ook hun dragen hun steentje bij met invoer en een financiële bijdrage afhankelijk van.

Daarnaast heb je de eigenaren (het bedrijf catawiki) en die moet zorgen, dat bovenstaande instrumenten optimaal worden ingezet!

Voor het bedrijf zijn opbrengsten van belang maar zonder betrouwbaar item weergave, zal men de site snel de rug toekeren en een ander site welke het niet zo streng neemt gaan gebruiken!

Tel uit je winst niets geen win win situatie als je de kwaliteit niet bewaakt.

Afbreken gaat vaak sneller dan opbouwen!

Maar zoals je zelf ook weet is het invoeren, een tijdrovend en secuur werkje, maar daar varen we alle wel bij!

De verzamelaar

De Handelaar

En Catawiki

@bertvaneijk

I believe you still don't get it, even more of these collectors and catawiki is defunct or included in the Ebay club!

The starting point is the catalog that stands or falls with correct input and if not that it is completed.

One of the tools is the collectors.

Then you have administrators who try to ensure quality and help that the items and their descriptions match.

In addition, you also trade their contribution with imports and a financial contribution depending on.

In addition, you have the owners (the catawiki company) and they must ensure that the above instruments are used optimally!

Revenue is important to the company, but without reliable item display, people will quickly turn their back on the site and start using another site that doesn't take it so seriously!

Don't count your profit as a win-win situation if you don't monitor the quality.

Breaking down is often faster than building up!

But as you yourself know, entering is a time-consuming and meticulous job, but we all benefit from that!

The collector

The trader

And Catawiki

Mag ik pleiten voor een aparte veilingapplicatie waar de verplichte koppeling van de objecten naar de catalogus gewoon wordt losgelaten?

Had er al van het begin geen goed oog in en andermaal heeft men dezelfde strategische denkfout gemaakt, dat een indeling van één rubriek (bij de opstart van Catawiki) en een veilingsysteem (nu) dat werkt voor strips, ook te handhaven valt voor de andere rubrieken.

Als verkoper zou je gewoon moeten kunnen kiezen tussen 2 systemen:

• Verkoop vanuit de catalogus: Hiermee is Catawiki begonnen en is hierin redelijk uniek. De catalogusobjecten zijn vast en worden nagezien door de zogenaamde ‘beheerders’. Zij zien de invoer van zowel verzamelaars als verkopers na zoals al inmiddels nu bijna 4 jaar gebeurt.

• Verkoop vanuit de zelfstandige veilingmodule: Hiermee is Catawiki niet uniek maar kan wel het bijkomende inkomsten uit genereren. De veilingobjecten (loten) zijn tijdelijk en worden na de veiling gewoon verwijderd of gearchiveerd BUITEN het catalogusgedeelte. De koppeling naar een of meer Catalogusobjecten is optioneel. De kwaliteit van aangeboden loten en van de aanbieders wordt beheerd door zogenaamde ‘veilingmeesters’.

Wanneer beide (ver)koopmogelijkheden functioneel gescheiden worden, is de angst/weerzin om een tweede ebay, marktplaats,… ongegrond.

Als ik een bananendoos bierviltjes, een pallet boeken of een schoendoos flippo’s kwijt wil moet ik nu als Catawiki gebruiker nog altijd uitwijken naar andere veilingplatforms,  rommelmarkten of opkopers.

Dus waar blijft de module Catabay? :-)

Can I argue for a separate auction application where the mandatory linking of objects to the catalog is simply abandoned?

Didn't have a good eye for it from the start and once again people made the same strategic fallacy, that a classification of one section (at the start of Catawiki) and an auction system (now) that works for comics, can also be maintained for the other rubrics.

As a seller you should simply be able to choose between 2 systems:

• Sale from the catalog: This is where Catawiki started and is fairly unique in this. The catalog objects are fixed and are checked by the so-called 'administrators'. They check the imports of both collectors and sellers, as has been happening for almost 4 years now.

• Sales from the independent auction module: Catawiki is not unique in this, but it can generate additional income. The auction objects (lots) are temporary and will simply be deleted or archived OUTSIDE the catalog section after the auction. The link to one or more Catalog objects is optional. The quality of the lots offered and of the suppliers is managed by so-called 'auctioneers'.

When both (re)buying options are functionally separated, the fear/reluctance to have a second ebay, marketplace,… is unfounded.

If I want to get rid of a banana box of coasters, a pallet of books or a shoe box of flippos, I still have to turn to other auction platforms, flea markets or buyers as a Catawiki user.

So where is the Catabay module? :-)

@arco: As soon as auctioneers determine whether or not a single item or single items should be included in the catalog or not, my hair will stand on end, because most auctioneers have no idea at all of all agreements made in this regard between the managers in the past four years. Making decisions about this is not part of their task and they should not make any statements about it. Everyone's 'profession'.

Agree. The rules surrounding the catalog are drawn up by the administrators. The agreements I referred to are agreements made by the administrators of the stamp section. As you know Jos and Daan work together on the auction, and Daan (aka Postmaster) is the administrator of the stamp section. So in this way we ensure that knowledge about the stamp catalog is also safeguarded in the auction.

Hadn't a good eye from the start and once again they made the same strategic fallacy, that a division of one category (at the start of Catawiki) and an auction system (now ) that works for comics, can also be maintained for the other sections .

This is indeed a shortcoming, but for a large part just usable!

As soon as you link catalog and auction, shops (that is the next step) then the concept no longer works!

Never let the sales and collector get involved adhere to the catalog guidelines! we all benefit!

As you know Jos and Daan work together on the auction, and Daan (aka Postmaster) manages the stamp section. So in this way we ensure that knowledge about the stamp catalog is also secured in the auction.

Rather weak argument, Marco. Daan appears to be mainly a trader, so one commercial guy helps the other commercial guy. You might think. And just the fact that you can think that doesn't give me any confidence. Even the suggestion of such a thought should be avoided, I think.

In the discussion, we see that we are not aligned with a number of administrators. For this we temporarily park the discussion in the public forum and continue on the admin forum. I assume that everyone understands this.

http://forum.catawiki.nl/forums/253-beheerders-algemeen/topics/9507-postzegel-and-muntenveiling-vervolg

Op deze gesloten discussie wordt hier door mij verder ingegaan.

I will elaborate further on this closed discussion here .