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November 11, 2010 16:16

I think that in the future we cannot avoid setting up some sort of disputes committee to combat abuse of the feedback system. The trick is to be objective and to protect the interests of the buyer.

People who are not via e.g. Ebay are used to feedback often do not fill it in or use it incorrectly and there will always be jokers.

Anyone who wants to do wrong can simply register, leave their collection empty and still provide feedback.

I thought it must be the case that someone signs up to help build his collection and the catalog in general, and then communication is usually possible to solve problems among themselves.

Someone who is not a member and still wants to order, please, but only mentions the feedback option after registration.

A decision has been made to be able to provide retroactive feedback to every buyer and in my opinion you should not reverse that decision.

It would suit me well, because then I would be back at 100%, but it is not very credible.

Rene made a decision on Nov. 1 and you have to keep your fingers crossed until it takes effect.

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November 11, 2010 16:19

@Koen,

This is not the place to discuss specific feedback. I'll email you about this later. Incidentally, as indicated earlier, we only do something about feedback in these situations:

1. Someone is clearly giving nonsensical feedback, for example by only giving negative feedback to multiple sellers without clear explanation. This has happened once and it has been the only time we have intervened so far.

2. Someone orders something and the seller happens to be unable to deliver for an explainable reason. The seller informs the buyer of this neatly and does not allow any money to be transferred. We do not think this is a reason to give negative feedback and that is also stated if you are going to give feedback.

We will also ensure that you can only give feedback when you are logged in. That is not ready yet. Scheduled for next week.

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November 11, 2010 16:29

That whole feedback system is far from being in order!

It is also crazy for words that our reputation, among other things, is used as a guinea pig.

To all Catawiki administrators.

I would like a shop without a feedback system.

this is time consuming, people don't know how to fill it in.

I'm too busy with it right now!

I would rather use it to insert or add booklets.

see largo winch 17 sc & amp; hc and Blacksad 4 today.

I currently have paid advertisements on Marktplaats and they have been linked to my catawiki shop.

if then some flapper turd likes to write negative things about what has never been delivered at all and / or has been canceled.

then I am fed up with it.

So immediately please remove all feeback on canceled orders and those of non-users also please.

why? because I pay for both Catawiki and marketplace.

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November 11, 2010 17:11

JozefK said on 10/28/2010:

I would like to have a button that says: Order canceled.

I actually thought that was a good solution.
Personally, I like rounding off, and that way it can be done without it ending up in the feedback.

Can you also determine whether a seller is in the habit of withdrawing many of their offers.
Buyers who keep dropping out will also stand out.

Are you still going to work on that idea?

To all Catawiki administrators.

This goes beyond the administrators, we have nothing to do with it.

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November 12, 2010 07:04

2. Someone orders something and the seller happens to be unable to deliver for an explainable reason. The seller informs the buyer of this neatly and does not allow any money to be transferred. We do not think this is a reason to give negative feedback and that is also stated if you are going to give feedback.

That is exactly the case.

please remove that feedback.

item was not available.

catawiki is not my only source of sales namely

1. Shop

2. Trade fairs

3. Catawiki

4. Marketplace

@ Arwin,

than people who are responsible for that feedback system?

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November 12, 2010 10:28

So it's about this one?

A buyer has rights, so if you offer something for sale for 30 euros and it is ordered, you must deliver. And don't say they ran fast, so I raise the price! So just leave that reaction.

the album battles was suddenly unavailable, then another one but suddenly it was 50 euros. The seller did not inform me properly and I did not feel treated properly. I was then allowed to buy the box for 90 euros or the single album for 50 while he had offered it for the initially 30 euros. Dubio Nov 11, 2010
Seller response: The extreme demand for this album pushed up the price of the last copies. Feedback will be removed by Catawiki because this was a canceled order

And if it continues to remove negative comments, then the entire feedback system can also be removed!

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Hey, I've already got two thumbs up and haven't sold anything yet.

As a test I once ordered something myself in my shop, but never bought it of course.

But then I did have the opportunity to post a review of myself.

It seems that fraud can be committed.

Even if you are going to place orders at your own shop under a different name or names (you make as many as you want, there is no control anyway) and then do not let the order go through, you will be given the opportunity for a thumbs up though.

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Fam-Strips: Hey, I've already got two thumbs up and haven't sold anything yet.

As a test I once ordered something myself in my shop, but never bought it of course.

But then I did have the opportunity to post a review of myself.

Thank you for reporting this. I took a look at what happened. You placed those orders while you were not logged in and then you provided feedback. So as a non-Catawiki user you have placed the orders with yourself.

This afternoon there will be a change on the site so that you can only give feedback if you are a registered user. And of course you cannot give feedback to yourself. See also previous forum posts about this. This makes the scenario you describe no longer possible.

Furthermore, on Monday there will be the opportunity to see which feedback a user has given even more. This helps you as a buyer to put certain feedback in context.

I've deleted the two feedbacks you gave yourself.

It seems that fraud can be committed.

Even if you are going to place orders at your own shop under a different name or names (you make as many as you want, there is no control anyway) and then do not let the order go through, you will be given the opportunity for a thumbs up though.

We give sellers a lot of confidence. This applies to the feedback system and also to the way the commission system works. In principle, we assume that if a seller indicates that something has been canceled, that is also the case.

If it turns out that trust is being abused, for example in the way you describe here, we will intervene and ban sellers from Catawiki. That has already happened once.

We actively look at certain patterns, for example that a shop has an exceptional amount of feedback from users who only order from that shop. We are of course not completely crazy :-)

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November 12, 2010 13:11

& gt; @ Fazerco,

& gt;

& gt; Buyer in this case Dubio.

& gt;

& gt; -ordered a book 29.95 which is no longer available, but is still in a sealed box.

& gt;

& gt; this box costs 89.95 then I explain to him that he can buy the book from the box for 49.95.

& gt;

& gt; What I would rather not even want, not even for 49.95

& gt;

& gt; he sends me an e-mail 3x with the price of 26.95 instead of 29.95.

& gt;

& gt; 1x ok that is possible but after 2x I start to get fed up then I get an email.

& gt;

& gt; that he says: so then it will be 48.95 he is again tinkering with my prices in a very annoying way.

& gt;

& gt; just say you don't want to buy the album for 49.95 and you're done.

& gt;

& gt; or if I hadn't shown me 3 times with 26.95, I would have just sold him the book.

& gt;

& gt; but not 3x say 26.95 instead of 29.95 and then from 49.95 to 48.95 again.

& gt;

& gt; Conclusion is that there is now a negative feedback on an order I canceled, largely due to repeated price changes in Buyer's Emails.

& gt;

& gt; In a few weeks I sold almost my entire stock of Boven de Wolken 2 1st edition and the boxes also went like sandwiches.

& gt;

& gt; When it was reprinted, I immediately entered it on Catawiki.

& gt;

& gt; Suppose you ordered a book of which I still have 1 in my shop in Hilversum.

& gt;

& gt; But I sold that that day or just now in my shop.

& gt;

& gt; Then I cancel it, but I may give you the option to buy the book at a higher price from a complete series, so that the rest of the series is actually much less interesting for sale.

& gt;

& gt; And then you give me a negative feedback because I try to think along.

& gt;

& gt; most people appreciate that here or just say no thanks.

& gt;

& gt; Will Catawiki please change that feedback now?

& gt;

& gt; or do I need to explain more.

And if it continues to remove negative comments, the entire feedback system can also be removed!

likes to save time and that way catawiki has more shine.

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November 12, 2010 14:03

Your own reaction at first was this:

Seller response: The extreme demand for this album pushed up the price of the last copies. Feedback will be removed by Catawiki because this was a canceled order

That you have now changed that ok, but understand what I read in it !!

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November 12, 2010 14:29

if you only have 1 book, don't put that book on Catawiki, my goodbye

you don't get any nagging.

just set um to mp

for the rest everyone is free to sell where he or she wants

for the rest I do not interfere with it

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November 12, 2010 15:55

Haha you will!

if I only have 1 book which is rare, I put it on Catawiki.

@ Fazerco,

sometimes I react somewhat short-sighted, but after studying the mails from 23-6 it turned out that the buyer was constantly challenging me and so what I was fed up with and increased the price.

This book was also really finished and there were only complete boxes for sale.

not knowing that after six months you can be charged again by a feedback test system.

feedback should just have gone in from orders 20-10

then you didn't have all that old nagging about canceled orders for whatever reason.

Back then, no stock management was possible, but now it is.

so if I now sell something in the store I will take it off and on Catawiki it will now be done automatically.

no hard feelings.

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November 12, 2010 19:36

No problem, I actually also thought that feedback before there was feedback should not be given.

And the other idea of only giving CW members feedback is also a good one.

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November 12, 2010 21:32

Today two changes have been made to the feedback system.

It is now possible to see what other feedback someone has given you when you come across a feedback from that person. This allows you to put that feedback into context (is a person very positive or negative in their feedback? Did the person give feedback at many stores?). You click on the username in the feedback and you will see a bar at the top of his / her profile in which you can click through to all feedback given.

In addition, from today feedback can only be given if you are logged in as a Catawiki user (with the exception of a short transitional situation because there are non-Catawiki users who have ordered before and have not yet clicked on the feedback link that has already been received. and could still do that).

Early next week it will be possible for non-Catawiki users who order something to give feedback after they have registered as a member.

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November 12, 2010 21:48

@ Stripsmagazijn,

You wrote:

stands with Negative Feedback.

but has been canceled.

so please delete it.

As I have already informed you, this is not a clear situation in which, by chance, delivery could not be made (then indeed no negative feedback should be given).

In this case there is more to play because you still offered the ordered album at a higher price. There is a story behind that, but in these types of more complex situations we are not going to change any of the feedback. Of course you have the opportunity to put your side of the story in front of the feedback and you did.

We have now resolved your valid point that feedback should only be given if you are logged in as a Catawiki user, as you can read above. Thank you for emphasizing its importance.

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November 13, 2010 13:34

I just don't get anywhere with it !?

because I offered it for 29.95 but not for 26.95 READ!

now I'm done with it so never mind.

1 Negative Feedback about something that has never been delivered but has been paid back nicely.

2nd Negative Feedback about something that has never been delivered and has never been paid for because of price pangs from the buyer.

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Just a quick reaction from me ..... had an order from a seller, heard nix, wait, nix. After 1 week I gave up and ordered elsewhere. After a few more days I received an email from the seller that he had been absent, could of course still have the ordered albums. Let him know that I had already ordered and paid for it elsewhere; told him that it is possible to temporarily close your store. Still gave a positive feedback, as I think it is a serious seller and also very polite and everything you want. He fully understood the situation. A negative feedback would have been absolutely out of place here. Often negative is very dangerous, because it stands for the future !!

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Someone placed an order with me when he was not yet a member of Catawiki

After placing the order, he has become a member and would like to give feedback

But he can't find how he e-mails me

Does anyone know what this is like in this situation?

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Hello,

First of all, a great place here to offer your fellow collectors your double and a great idea for the feedback system that can distinguish a correct seller / buyer from the less correct ones. The only problem is that my buyers don't get the option to give me feedback as a seller. All are members of Catawiki and are themselves seller and buyer (registered). Maybe there is a small problem somewhere and someone can give me some hint as to what I might be doing wrong.

If I read some of the comments here, I clearly see some gnats who would have a better look at their own book. Thanks to the people who maintain and update this forum and the Catawiki site where necessary, I myself know what a work involves so tumbs up for you guys.

Best wishes for 2011 to everyone

grts

Philippe

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The only problem is that my buyers don't get the option to give me feedback as a seller. All are members of Catawiki and are themselves seller and buyer (registered). Maybe there is a small problem somewhere and someone can give me some hint as to what I might be doing wrong.

I think they are not logged in at the time of ordering. At the request of many sellers, we have enabled you to provide feedback if you are not a member (ie if you are not logged in to your order). By the way, we are almost ready to point out that you can log in when placing your order and that you will still be approached for feedback if you were not logged in at the time of ordering. You can still give feedback if you log in (whether or not after first registering). We will also approach people with retroactive effect, so your buyers will still have the opportunity to give feedback, provided they log in.

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December 30, 2010 07:41

Someone placed an order with me when he was not yet a member of Catawiki

After placing the order, he has become a member and would like to give feedback

See my response just above. We are still making this possibility. I expect this buyer to be able to do this from next week.

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Ok thanks Rene for your quick answer. I'm going to point this out to my buyers because after all, feedback is a kind of measure of the seller's value and I still attach some value to this.

grts

Philippe

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I think the feedback system is still not working as it should.

A while ago I received a negative feedback, because a new user believes that a seller should ship the item first and pay afterwards.

This is also clearly stated in his reply:

have already sent several emails regarding the correct amount to be transferred, still no answer. We did receive an email with the notification of good receipt of the order. I am suspicious of making the transfer before receiving the ordered. Also because it is my first time that I order something via this site, I do not know the procedure or how it actually works.

The correct amount to be paid is clearly stated in my terms of sale.

If you are absent for a few days and do not immediately send a personal email, you will have a negative feedback as a result.

I never received a response to my email that followed.

I find this very unfortunate because I always work correctly and such misunderstandings do lead to a less good reputation.

It seems to me desirable that people are reminded of the possibility and desirability of contacting the seller first before giving negative feedback.

If a novice user provides negative feedback, indicating that they do not understand the sales system properly, it should be possible for you to cancel it.

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I think it's better not to be able to give feedback until the seller has set a transaction to "shipped". That means that the transaction has actually taken place.

Now as a buyer you can place an order, give feedback and then cancel the purchase. In the meantime, there is feedback and if you hate a seller, give him nice negative feedback and you as a seller can not do anything about it.

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@ Morits

But the other way around also takes place and then as a buyer you are also in your shirt !!

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