Strips/Fake dédicace?

http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/519337-craenhals-commission drawing-gwendoline

Current highest bid 61 Euro, so some believe in it. But ...

* The signature is wrong: Craenhals signed with the F and C twisted together, and a line under his name

* The style is completely wrong, Craenhals drew completely different hair, the mouth is not typical, the eyes are absolutely wrong, and so on.

Compare this Gwendoline with for example http: // www. befr.ebay.be/itm/Dedicace-exceptionnelle-de-Gwendoline-LArc-de-Saka-EO-Neuf-Craenhals-/170917538365 or else with http://www.banquedessinee.be/detail-vente-19-dedicaces -31-943-1.html or http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/52905-pom-en-teddy-de-boeddha-van-mwang-tha-sc-1e-druk-1965-+-d -dicace-gwendoline-by-fran-ois-craenhals-1982 or http://encheres.catawiki.eu/kavels/87171-fran-ois-craenhals-d-dicace-carte-postale-dyptique-chevalier-ardent or also still http://catalogue.drouot.com/ref-drouot/lot-ventes-aux-encheres-drouot.jsp?id=2120272

All five Gwendoline dédicaces I link here have very similar properties (drawing and signature ening), which are missing from the one currently being auctioned.

Either it is a real but very bad Craenhals, or it is a fake. My money is on the second.

I would say even more: very bad counterfeit.

Unfortunately, no action from the auction or Catawiki (the item itself has been corrected by Pegag, thanks!) The buyer was cheated for 61 Euro plus shipping.

(the item itself has been corrected by Pegag)

Uh, no, that was the illegal release from this thread . And I have not corrected them so much as reverted a number of incorrect changes. The book was already marked as illegal publication, but users had changed that.

This drawing is not in the catalog, so we as administrators cannot \ need anything with it.

Yes, sorry, I just mixed up my two topics :-) Indeed, administrators have nothing to do with this drawing, as you say.

It is a pity that neither here, nor on my direct mail, has there been any response from the auctioneer. This limits the usefulness of this forum and of the emails you can send to the auctioneers of course ...

Who we have here?

http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/1047238-fran-ois-craenhals-originele- bestellent drawing-de-koene-ridder-gwendoline

The same drawing, now offered by another shop (presumably the winner of the previous auction?) Still just as fake, still offered at Catawiki auctions without any problems.

It is indeed a pity that this is possible.

It should be a point of attention for Catawiki that no "false" or incorrectly described items are auctioned.

Dear Tacozip,

I am only now seeing this correspondence. We are indeed working on it. It is always difficult to prove that a drawing is a forgery without hard evidence. One of my fellow auctioneers also has a "real" Craenhals who, on the other hand, shows many similarities with this alleged forgery. He is nevertheless sure that his is authentic. But we keep working on it and if in doubt, the item will be removed from the auction.

Mvg. Jurry Heshusius

On our weekly Comic Auction you can easily offer your comic books with a value of 75 euros or more online.

A half a year ago the lot was sold for 61 euros. How can an auctioneer think that this item will now reach the minimum value?

There is a lot on offer that is really not worth $ 75, so I don't think that that minimum value really applies anymore.

The minimum value is the last of my concerns, I have already sold things myself that were well below 75 Euro (unfortunately). But I think the quality of this item is below average. Of course I cannot prove that this is a forgery, and if some examples can be given of other equally moderate dédicaces by Craenhals I will have to revise my opinion, but all the dédicaces of Craenhals that I know (to see for myself, or via the internet ) are much better. This is just a very bad drawing, whether it comes from Craenhals or a counterfeit.

I had some (friendly) reactions from auctioneers, who believe that it is a real disgrace (or at least that the signature is correct). They are usually more concerned with it than I am, so I accept that. It remains a bad drawing, no matter who made it (and I normally love Creanhals, I am one of the few who seems to appreciate the linen backs of the first 4 Heroes ;-)). Fortunately, that is now also reflected in the selling price, 25 Euro is a lot more reasonable than the 61 Euro of the first auction of this work.

Ik vrees dat "fake" op alle gebied zal toenemen, hoe populairder dat Catawiki aan het worden is.   Meer en meer lees je wat minder goeie ervaringen op blogs, fora en dergelijke.

Ik ben verheugd te lezen dat sommige veilingmeesters er zelf een nota bij plaatsen indien ze denken dat het een reproduktie is of dergelijke.

Bvb een doosje van een Dinky Toys auto die vermoedelijk een replica is, altijd handig, dan kan je zelf bepalen als koper of je meedoet ja dan neen.

Maar mijn vraag is aan jullie, moeten we verwachten dat een veilingmeester ook een expert is of niet?    Ik kan mij voorstellen dat veilingmeester op zich niet zo moeilijk is maar als je moet een expertise geven of iets echt of vals is, en je kent niet zo goed de materie dan is dit wel lastig.

Sedert internet bestaat ben ik al aan het verkopen, denk dat ik in 1995 m'n eerste strip album reeks Suske en wiske verkocht heb op Ebay. De verkoopmarkt is constant aan het veranderen.  Waar Ebay floreerde een aantal jaar terug zit dat volledig op z'n gat en nu is het Catawiki die volop onze boterham op tafel brengt. Binnen 5 jaar kan dit weer helemaal anders zijn.

Feit is, wees altijd voorzichtig wat je op internet koopt.  Een echte of valse handtekening, een echte of valse strip tekening, .... het blijft voorzichtigheid geboden.

Wij hebben al een paar meldingen gedaan van fake kunst die we onomstotelijk konden bewijzen en het werd prompt weggehaald. Konden wij aantonen aan de afmetingen niet die correct waren en er is maar 1 uniek stuk gemaakt, dus. 

Als het te mooi is om waar te zijn blijf je er beter van af. Vervalsingen zijn alom tegenwoordig en de vervalsers doen het steeds beter en beter.

Nep whisky, nep handtekeningen, nep parfum, nep brillen handtassen, kledij, nep kunst, nep wijn,  .... ik las overlaatst iemand die Jade kocht en bleek plastiek te zijn. (te lezen in de feedback)

Succes allemaal, wees voorzichtig en hopelijk een goeie vondst voor weinig geld. 't Is voor de rappe en laat de Fake liggen.

Johan

I fear that "fake" will increase in all areas, the more popular Catawiki becomes. More and more you read less good experiences on blogs, forums and the like.

I am pleased to read that some auctioneers are adding a note if they think it is a reproduction or the like.

For example, a box of a Dinky Toys car that is probably a replica, always handy, then you can decide for yourself as a buyer whether you want to participate yes or no.

But my question to you is, should we expect an auctioneer to be an expert as well or not? I can imagine that the auctioneer is not that difficult in itself, but if you have to give an expertise whether something is real or fake, and you don't know the subject very well, this is difficult.

I've been selling since the internet existed, I think I sold my first comic album series Suske en wiske on Ebay in 1995. The sales market is constantly changing. Where Ebay flourished a few years ago, that has completely come to an end and now it is Catawiki that is fully putting our sandwich on the table. In 5 years this could be completely different.

The fact is, always be careful what you buy on the internet. A real or fake signature, a real or fake cartoon drawing, .... caution is advised.

We have already made a few reports of fake art that we could prove conclusively and it was promptly removed. We could not prove that the dimensions were correct and only 1 unique piece was made, so.

If it's too good to be true, it's better to stay away from it. Counterfeits are everywhere and the counterfeiters are getting better and better.

Fake whiskey, fake autographs, fake perfume, fake glasses, handbags, clothes, fake art, fake wine, .... I recently read someone who bought Jade and turned out to be plastic. (read in the feedback)

Good luck everyone, be careful and hopefully a good find for little money. It's for the quick and leave the Fake.

Johan