Strips/Vraag over Jommeke - De vruchtenmakers

Good evening,

I have the album The fruit makers of Jommeke (see here front side , backside and cover ). Coincidentally I saw at lordernie in his shop that he also has the album. However, his copy has a different cover page in black ink? I asked him if this is correct and he confirmed it. He has indicated that only one variant from 1973 is known in Matla (currently). The big question is, I think this is a new variant, but from which year? 1973? Who helps?

Greetings Vincent

For the time being I have added my copy as a new item to the catalog and the two variants with an -a or -b.

Is definitely a different issue, because the title page is completely different (different heading) and I think the cover is paler, maybe there is a Flemish and a Dutch issue ?? And what about the other jommekes ????

Ps title page added

What about all the sellers who have their comic on the wrong item because they couldn't see anywhere (except our smart vvanaspears) that there were two issues? Will every seller be notified so that he can check it ??

What about all the sellers who have their comic on the wrong item because they couldn't see anywhere (except our smart vvanaspears) that there were two issues? Will every seller be notified so that he can check it ??

Super admins have the option to send a collective message to all owners and sellers of a particular item.

In the case of this album, I did this tonight.

take a look at many comics, you will see a lot of wrong sales a good example is 17848

Rik, jij waart de superbeheerder die ik zocht.Maar je moest daarom het bericht geen twee keer sturen ;)

Maar zouden er nu eigenlijk van de meeste Jommekes van dat jaar verschillende titelbladen zijn?

Volgens de Matla in mijn bezit, vond ik ook geen tweede exemplaar van de vruchtenmakers en als je Matla niet moogt vertrouwen wie wel ;)

Rik, you were the super admin I was looking for. But that's why you didn't have to send the message twice ;)

But would there actually be different title pages of most of the Jommekes of that year?

According to the Matla in my possession, I didn't find a second copy from the fruit makers either and if you can't trust Matla who will ;)

But would there actually be different title pages of most of the Jommekes of that year?

That is always a bit of a guess.

This may be a very early reprint (so 2nd edition).

@lordernie: Ik ben het gisteren in ieder geval nog een keer tegengekomen bij het album Choco ontvoerd van Jommeke. Daar heb jij een item van in je shop, maar ginoke25 een heeft hetzelfde item met een ander titelblad. De vraag is wat ik nou het beste kan doen? Ik heb namelijk dezelfde variant als jij hebt, kan/moet ik die nu apart invoeren en dan aangeven dat 'ons' item in roodbruine inkt is en de andere in het zwart?

Edit: De vraag met betrekking tot het toevoegen van een extra item, zodat er een -a en een -b variant zijn heeft de volgende achtergrond. Ik heb zelf alleen maar de roodbruine variant. Om dan een 'gedeeld item' op eigen houtje opte splitsen in roodbruin en zwart, dat vind ik dan een beetje te voortvarend. Kan ik dat dan beter melden op het forum of gewoon wel toevoegen?

@ lordernie : At least I came across it again yesterday on the album Choco kidnapped by Jommeke. You have an item of that in your shop, but ginoke25 has the same item with a different title page . The question is what is the best thing I can do now? I have the same variant as you have, can/should I enter it separately now and then indicate that 'our' item is in red-brown ink and the others in black?

Edit: The question regarding adding an extra item so that there is a -a and a -b variant has the following background. I only have the red-brown version myself. To then split a 'shared item' into red-brown and black on your own, I think that's a bit too energetic. Should I report this on the forum or just add it?

@ rikMooren : If so, which of the two is the early reprint? Which is described in Matla, for example. Don't have a Matla or other reference book of your own, only have Catawiki. ;-)

@ rikMooren : If so, which of the two is the early reprint? Which is described in Matla, for example. Don't have a Matla or other reference book of your own, only have Catawiki. ;-)

Unfortunately, the Matla also does not answer your question :-)

Het komt zelfs heel regelmatig voor.

Ik heb niet de hele lijst bekeken, maar Ernie heeft bij Luilekkerland 23710 zowel een zwarte als een bruine variant te koop staan.

En ook De plastieken walvis 23698 bestaat met zwarte of bruine titelpagina.

Er zijn er vast meer. Zo vermeldt verkoper stripverzamelaar-be bij De fwietmachine 23699 en Peuterweelde 23725 dat een "zwarte druk" betreft terwijl lordernie een bruine te koop heeft. Bij Prinses Pott 23723 is het net omgekeerd.

Het is de vraag of je er ooit achter komt welke de eerste versie is, maar het is gebruikelijk om de meest voorkomende variant de letter a te geven. Welke dat is kun je echter pas goed beoordelen als je alle verzamelaars en verkopers van deze reeks contacteert. Tot die tijd maakt het weinig uit welke a en welke b heet, zo lang het maar consequent doorgevoerd wordt. Die titelpagina's zullen als afbeelding 3 getoond moeten worden, zodat het verschil voor iedereen duidelijk is.

P.S. Gaat het trouwens alleen om de titelpagina, of is het hele binnenwerk bruin of zwart?

In fact, it happens quite regularly.

I haven't looked at the whole list, but Ernie has both a black and a brown variant for sale at Luilekkerland 23710 .

And also De plastic whale 23698 exists with a black or brown title page.

Surely there are more. For example, seller comic collector-be at De fwietmachine 23699 and Toddlerweelde 23725 mentions that it concerns a "black print" while lordernie has a brown one for sale. With Princess Pott 23723 it is just the opposite.

It is questionable whether you will ever find out which is the first version, but it is customary to give the letter a to the most common variant. However, you can only properly assess which one it is if you contact all collectors and sellers of this series. Until then, it makes little difference which is called a and which is b, as long as it is implemented consistently. Those title pages will have to be shown as image 3, so that the difference is clear to everyone.

PS Is it just the title page, by the way, or is the entire interior brown or black?

I found this extensive Jommeke website , the creator of which might be able to provide more insight into the issue. If anyone wants to take the trouble to email them and refer to this discussion. (Catawiki is not yet on its links page.)

Variants of the first edition are known of various Jommekes albums from the first series. Just take a look at De Jommekesklub.

It was a cheap comic and probably people did not look very closely at the paper and the ink that was used. If the blue ink ran out, they just took red to continue printing, I suspect.

Zwendel,

has nothing to do with the ink, is completely different title page and without a computer it was quite a lot of work to make another title page. think more that there is a Dutch and Flemish version issued. But then one would have to check the entire comic if no real "Flemish" words were translated.

I have the same variant as you have, can / must I now enter it separately and then indicate that 'our' item is in red-brown ink and the other in black?

I wouldn't do that, but I would add an a and mention which variant it is in the details.

For the future, maybe require 3rd photo = title page for all comics.

lordernie : I wouldn't do that, but I would add an a and state which variant it is is in the details.

All right. But then you do get that collectors have linked their copy to the 'wrong' item. Is that collateral damage or also just let a (super) administrator know?

Boekenmagazijn : PS By the way, is it only about the title page, or is the entire interior brown or black?

In my copies, the entire interior is either reddish brown or black. The only thing that differs in a number of cases is the layout of the title page.

has yet to find my photos of those comics, or will take new photos if necessary

Heb de onderstaande albums voorzien van een derde afbeelding en bij bijzonderheden de drukkleur van mijn exemplaar en andere kenmerken vermeld. Wellicht dat er iets van een bericht naar de verzamelaars dan wel verkopers van deze albums kan?

• Choco ontvoerd (1975a)
• Alarm in de rode baai (1973b, nieuw toegevoegd)
• Met Fifi op reis (1973a)
• Op heksenjacht (1976a)
• De verborgen tempel (1975a)
• Diep in de put (1969a)

@lordernie: Er zijn redelijk wat albums waarvan jij de tegenhanger in je shop hebt. Dat wil dus zeggen dat de variant die in jou shop staat nu niet altijd meer overeenkomt met het item in de catalogus. Aangezien ik 'jou' albums niet heb, kan ik die niet toevoegen aan de catalogus. :-(

Have provided the albums below with a third image and stated the printing color of my copy and other characteristics in the details. Perhaps something like a message to the collectors or sellers of these albums?

• Choco Kidnapped (1975a)
• Alarm in the Red Bay (1973b, newly added)
• Traveling with Fifi (1973a)
• On a Witch Hunt (1976a)
• The Hidden Temple (1975a)
• Deep in the Pit (1969a)

@ lordernie : There are quite a few albums of which you have the counterpart in your shop. This means that the variant in your shop no longer always corresponds to the item in the catalogue. Since I don't have 'you' albums, I can't add them to the catalog. :-(

Dear Jommeke enthusiasts.

Around the first editions of Jommeke there is certainly a kind of fog. Finding information about what was published and when is extremely difficult. The publishers of that time no longer exist and so many archives have simply disappeared.

To check the authenticity of a first press, you really have to keep an eye on a lot of rules. There is a manual on this on my website. You click at 'Info' (the blue question mark at the bottom) and then in the newly appeared menu on 'Features First edition'. Hopefully this will take you a long way.

If you want to know something specific about Jommeke, feel free to give us a call. Can easily go to the Jommekessite & gt; www.stripheld.net

We also keep checking everything for more info and thus allow the website to accommodate even more information.

A link to Catawiki will also be included within the website.

@ edsolie : Thank you for your response to my email and your comment here on the forum. If I have any questions that cannot be resolved here, I will certainly come to you. ;-)

Heb nog een aantal albums voorzien van een derde afbeelding en bij bijzonderheden de drukkleur van mijn exemplaar en eventuele andere kenmerken vermeld.

• De gele spin (1975a)
• De verloren zoon (1973a)
• De kristallen grot (1974a)
• De hoed van Napoleon (1974, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• Filiberke gaat trouwen (1973, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• Gekke grappen (1978, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• In Pimpeltjesland (1967, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• Kinderen baas (1966, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• Anakwaboe! (1969, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)

Wellicht dat er ook hier nog iets van een bericht naar betreffende verzamelaars dan wel verkopers met deze items kan?

I have provided a number of albums with a third image and stated the printing color of my copy and any other features in the details.

• The Yellow Spider (1975a)
• The Prodigal Son (1973a)
• The Crystal Cave (1974a)
• Napoleon's hat (1974, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• Filiberke is getting married (1973, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• Crazy jokes (1978, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• In Pimpeltjesland (1967, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• Kids Boss (1966, only third scan added, no counterpart found in shops)
• anakwaboe! (1969, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)

Perhaps something like a message to relevant collectors or sellers with these items can also be done here?

De (voor nu) laatste Jommeke albums die ik heb toegevoegd dan wel heb aangepast.

• Wie zoekt, die vindt (1969, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• Prins Filiberke (1978, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• Peuterweelde (1976, alleen derde scan toegevoegd geen tegenhanger in shops te vinden)
• De gouden jaguar (1969b, nieuw toegevoegd)
• Het rode oog (1969b, nieuw toegevoegd)

Wellicht dat er ook hier nog iets van een bericht naar betreffende verzamelaars dan wel verkopers met deze items kan?

The (for now) last Jommeke albums that I have added or modified.

• Who seeks, finds (1969, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• Prince Filiberke (1978, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• Toddler Weelde (1976, only third scan added, no counterpart to be found in shops)
• The Golden Jaguar (1969b, newly added)
• The Red Eye (1969b, newly added)

Perhaps something like a message to relevant collectors or sellers with these items can also be done here?