Postzegels/Ik mis gebruikstypen bij postzegels NL

With the many use type stamps in the Netherlands, I miss a section of stamp booklets and combinations. Adding this would be a great convenience for buyers and sellers. The NVPH devotes a whole section to this in its catalog, so why wouldn't Catawiki do that.

I also noticed that quite a few plate errors are offered. Again, a separate usage type would be easy and enlightening.

Another idea is first day envelopes .

After all, there are quite a few collectors these days. stamping material . Another use type added.

Looking a little further than your nose is long. It's listed under species.

Alard

It comes in!

Through the lines, Ben (dot stamp) probably wants to say something else:

A separate section "" plate errors "".

I also noticed that quite a few plate errors are offered. Again, a separate usage type would be easy and enlightening.

This could be a good idea.

Sincerely,

Micho Roosboom, a collector

Anything that is not listed under usage type is listed under type ....................

Then what's the difference ??? Usage Type and Type ...

Wouldn't know either. It's what you want to make of it.

Yes, this one is difficult.

Maybe a Quiz.

Misschien iets om uit te printen en op te hangen.

Gebruikstypen

Bezetting Brandkast Dienst Expresse Fantasie / parodie zegels Frankeer Internering Julzegels Kranten Luchtpost Militair Pakket-porto Pakket

• Persoonlijke postzegel Port Port Betaald Postbewijs Regionaal Roltanding Spoorweg Stads- en streekpost Telegram Toeslag Verrekening Voorafstempeling
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• Soorten
• Automaatzegel Blauwdruk/Zwartdruk Blok Boekje Boekjesvariant Brugpaar
• Combinatie Ecubrief Eerstedagblad (First Day Sheet) FDC Fosforvariëteit
• Foutdruk Geïnt. Hangboekje Gelegenheidsenveloppen Hangboekje Jaarset
• Keerdruk Kinderbedankkaart Kleurvariëteit Mapje Maximumkaart Overig Paar
• Papiervariëteit Plaatfout Plaatvariëteit Postwaardestukken Prestigeboekje
• Rolzegel Se-tenant Serie Spec. Prestigeboekje Specimen Strook
• Tandingvariëteit Telebrief Typevariëteit Variëteit Veldpost Velletje
• W - Enveloppe Watermerkvariëteit Zegel Zegel met tab

Maybe something to print out and hang.

Usage types

Occupation Strongbox Service Express Fantasy / parody stamps Franking Internment Julstamps Newspapers Airmail Military Parcel postage Parcel

• Personal postage stamp Port Port Paid postage certificate Regional Serration Railroad Urban and regional mail Telegram Surcharge Settlement Pre -cancellation
• Types
• Machine Stamp Blueprint/ Blackprint Block Booklet Booklet Variant Bridge Pair
• Combination Ecubrief Eerstedagblad (First Day Sheet) FDC Phosphor variety
• Error pressure Int. Hanging Booklet Occasion Envelopes Hanging Booklet Annual Set
• Turning Print Children 's Thank You Card Color Variety Folder Maximum Card Other Couple
• Paper Variety Plate Error Plate Variety Post Stationery Prestige Booklet
• Coil Seal Se-tenant Series Spec. Prestige Booklet Specimen Strip
• Perfume Variety Telebrief Type Variety Variety Veldpost Velletje
• W - Envelope Watermark Variety Stamp Stamp with tab

(1) Je hebt categorien van "postzegels" zoals frankeerzegels, portzegels, brandkastzegels,  luchtpostzegels, dienstzegels, telegraafzegels  - afhankelijk van het doel zoals de posterijen dat voor ogen hadden. Postwaardestukken zijn meestal voorzien van een gedrukte postzegelzegel op de kaart [briefkaart] of enveloppe. En ook daarin zijn categorien!  Persoonlijke postzegels zijn gewoon frankeerzegels die door particulieren te bestellen waren met een eigen afbeelding. Dus geen aparte categorie!! Dat geldt ook voor kinderzegel, zomerzegels, e.d.  

Niet-postzegels d.w.z  niets van doen hebbend met de posterijen maar wel lijkend op postzegels zijn cinderellla's waaronder Jul-zegels, Soldaten-marken e.d. En ook fiscaal-zegels in diverse categorien: plakzegels, handelszegels, radiozegels, etc!

(2) Die zegels kunnen voorkomen in vellen, velletjes, blokken, rollen, automaatboekjes, geintegreerde hangboekjes, e.d. en achter elk kun je het woord zegel plakken dus velzegel, rolzegel, boekjeszegel etc... Briefkaarten werden in rollen verkocht of in een boekje [gelumbeckt aan de bovenkant].... Briefkaarten, adreswijzigingskaarten en luchtpostbladen werden verkocht in hangboekjes! De zegel of het blok of het boekje kan uit een automaat komen, e.d.  Een zegel kan samen met andere zegels slechts te krijgen zijn geweest als serie al of niet aan elkaar gedrukt. 

(3) Vanuit die verkoopsvorm kunnen  die zegels voorkomen in strippen van 3,  in paren, in blokken van 4, met een velrand, met een blokrand, met een etsingnummer, met een plaatnummer, met tab, als combinatie met een ander zegel in blok of automaatboekje of rol, in tête-bêche,  etc..

(4) De zegels kunnen geplakt zijn geweest of nog zitten op een brief, op een FDC, op een kinderbedankkaart, op een eerstedagsblad, op een muntbrief, op een creditcard, e.d.

(5) Een zegel kan een kenmerk hebben als plaatfout, druktoevalligheid, gedrukt zijn op fosforpapier, op groen papier, gom hebben die geribbeld is of gewaveld, een rugnummer of reclame die kopstaand kunnen zijn of liggend t.o.v. het zegelbeeld, op papier met een watermerk en dat watermerk kan kopstaand zijn of liggend t.o.v. het zegelbeeld, er kan een voorafstempeling op staan of het woord specimen of Muster. Zegels kunnen zelfklevend zijn of gegomd, getand of ongetand, e.d. De zegel kan verkleurd zijn door de zon...

Wie ziet door de bomen het bos nog????

Alles wat in (1) genoemd wordt komt ook in (2), (3), (4) en (5)  terug. Voor de catalogisering  moet (1) het uitgangspunt zijn althans voor de algemene verzamelaar. Voor de specialist horen (1) en (5) bijelkaar! De kenmerken uit (5) geen het onderscheid bij (1) waar daar slecht het plaatje, de waardeaanduiding en de kleur een hoofdrol had. 

(2), (3) en (4) geven extra informatie en bepalen de catalogisering NIET tenzij indirect via (5)....

(1) You have categories of "stamps" such as postage stamps, postage stamps, safe stamps, airmail stamps, service stamps, telegraph stamps - depending on the purpose as intended by the postal service. Postal stationery usually has a printed postage stamp on the card [postcard] or envelope. And there are categories in that too! Personal stamps are simply franking stamps that could be ordered by private individuals with their own image. So no separate category!! This also applies to children's stamps, summer stamps, etc

Non-stamps, ie having nothing to do with the postal service, but resembling stamps are cinderelllas, including Jul stamps, Soldiers' Marks, etc. And also fiscal stamps in various categories: adhesive stamps, trade stamps, radio stamps, etc!

(2) Those stamps can occur in sheets, sheets, blocks, rolls, automatic booklets, integrated hanging books, etc. and behind each you can stick the word seal, so sheet seal, roll seal, booklet seal, etc... Postcards were sold in rolls or in a booklet [lumbecked at top].... Postcards, change of address cards and airmail sheets were sold in hangbooks! The stamp or block or booklet may have come from a vending machine, etc. A stamp may only have been available together with other stamps as a series, whether or not pressed together.

(3) From that sales form, those stamps can occur in strips of 3, in pairs, in blocks of 4, with a sheet edge, with a block edge, with an etching number, with a plate number, with a tab, as a combination with another stamp in block or automatic booklet or roll, in tête-bêche, etc..

(4) The stamps may have been or are still affixed to a letter, to an FDC, to a children's thank you card, to a first day newspaper, to a currency note, to a credit card, etc.

(5) A stamp may have such features as a plate defect, printing coincidence, printed on phosphor paper, on green paper, have gum that is ribbed or waved, a back number or advertisement that may be upside down or lying in relation to the stamp image, on paper with a watermark and that watermark may be upside down or face down to the seal image, it may have a precancellation or the word specimen or Muster. Stamps can be self-adhesive or gummed, serrated or imperforated, etc. The stamp may be discolored by the sun...

Who still sees the forest through the trees????

Everything mentioned in (1) also comes back in (2), (3), (4) and (5). (1) should be the starting point for cataloging, at least for the general collector. For the specialist, (1) and (5) belong together! The characteristics from (5) do not differ from (1) where only the picture, the value indication and the color played a leading role.

(2), (3) and (4) provide extra information and do NOT determine the cataloging unless indirectly via (5)....

For stamps NL I miss the choice PREFILATELIE for use types and / or type.

Pre-philately are letters with stamps or other characteristics, according to the books "postmarks and postal establishments" part 1 and 2 published by Po & amp; Po.

See for example: https://www.collectura.com/ nl / po-po-postmarks-postal-establishments-in-the-netherlands-tot.html

and for Po & amp; Po (national association with several hundred members: https: // www .po-en-po.nl / the-post-stamps-of-the-netherlands /

What is also not stated with usage types or type is the choice POSTSTAMPS, which is in line with prefilately.

Many parts are possible here, to name a few:

full stop

small round stamp

large round stamp

semi-circular stamp (type A, B and C)

long bar stamp

short bar stamp

name stamp (serif and sans serif)

Cylinder beam stamp

Radar Stamp Type

etc etc

Are there possibilities to include these collection areas in LASTDODO. With this there are also opportunities for LASTDODO to earn because in these collection areas there are many possibilities for more expensive items with which costs were associated (at least in Catawiki) for placement.

I would like to hear about the possibilities of the LASDODO team

A stamp has nothing to do with type or type

Morits

Your comment is correct. But rather provide a solution or a reference. Point stamp is more useful and promotes discussion. It's a pretty good point-stamp question

I think that postmarks is a very separate collection area within philately.

Certainly not a kind or type in current usage, because that refers to the stamps themselves. That's how LastDodo is now set up.

The option to enter the type of postmark in a separate field seems to me the best solution. In every country there are big differences in the value of the stamps.
And then (unfortunately) not one field with type of stamp, but also indicate in which place and on which date. That makes a lot of difference.
To make it complete, also a tick, with which you indicate that the place and date are certain or that it is a suspicion because the stamp is not completely readable or complete.

The stamp itself can only be worth $ 0.01. Due to a particularly rare stamp, the value can reach several hundred euros.
If the original envelope underneath is also in neat condition, the price will shoot up even further.

It will be a tour because it can be built in well, I suspect.
But it will be a very interesting addition for the philately column.
Some stamp collectors also want a copy of each one.

Dot stamp

A very good question. It is hoped that there will be an addition. That would be very good for the Lastdado catalog. It gives "" draft"".

I also pay attention to stamps showing where the stamp was stamped and the date.

I indicate this, in my collection, at "" notes "" with a code.

A, B. C,

A: a stamp where the date and place is clearly visible .

B: a stamp where the date or place is clearly visible .

C: a stamp where no date and place is visible.

I will keep searching until I have all the stamps with code "A".

If you create an exel file and send it to private you will have all the registered codes.

This list can be used again at associations and fairs.

Sincerely,

Micho Rooseboom, a collector.

My conclusion is that postmarks and pre-philately do not fall under use types or types for postage stamps.

In order to serve these collectors, the marketplace for POSTMARKS could be started.

The books Postmarks and postal institutions parts 1 and 2 could serve for the cataloging purposes and for the various stamps the numberings of smallround, largeround etc.

I am very curious if Lastdodo will work on this, if not I might take my collection to the Belgian site of Delcampe

Dot stamp

Have a look at user type. Perhaps this will take you a little further. More can be added for user type. Maybe an idea?

@puntstempel Heb je hier al eens gekeken? https://www.lastdodo.nl/catalogus/overig/thema-s/3777603-poststempels

@puntstempel Have you ever looked here? https://www.lastdodo.nl/catalogus/overig/thema-s/3777603-poststempels

Hi Micho, how can you add usage type? And this can be done per type of stamp (large-round, small-round, etc.)

and Postmaster are stamps from all over the world. I would like to be able to enter and / or search all the stamping material from NL per type of stamp (large-round, small-round, etc.)

Then first select Netherlands ?

That's a matter of filtering by country and by type. As an example here to Dutch point stamps. https: // www .lastdodo.nl / catalog / other / themes / 3777603 postmarks? page = 1 & amp; field = SO_99 & amp; order = a & amp; external = 0 & amp; view = g & amp; page = 1 & amp; vg = na & amp; type = s & amp; language = nl & amp; area_id = 3777603 & amp; user_id = & amp; stamp_filter = & amp; filters% 5Bin_wish_list% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B6663% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B8739% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B7457% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B9159 % 5D = 1013017 & amp; filters% 5B9443% 5D = & a mp; filters% 5B9163% 5D = 1104831 & amp; filters% 5B9245% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B9239% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B9207% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B9241% 5D = & amp; filters% 5B9445% 5D = & amp; filters% 5Byear_from% 5D = & amp; filters% 5Byear_to% 5D = & amp; filters% 5Btitle% 5D = Can you do something with it?

Indeed, everything you are looking for can be found at Poststamps. Strange that this was not known to the collector ...

What a mess that link is, there is no system at all. You fly all over the world with species that often have nothing in common. I don't understand that such a thing is allowed by Lastdodo.

Would you please be a little clearer. What do you mean by hodgepodge and are you talking about the post stamps section

The Type point stamps can be found under Country The Netherlands. Because there are many more countries under Country , you get the strangest choices under Type that you have to go through to choose a point stamp, for example. And because there are so many types of stamps, it is very difficult to look up the relevant stamp type.

It would be better to name Country as the main group Postmarks with the choice in Group the various parts such as point stamp or smallround or largeround or one of the many stamp types. Those stamp types can therefore refer to the various catalogs of the stamps concerned and which ones already have a valuation in those catalogs to which reference can be made.

It would be even better if Postmarks were a marketplace category such as Stamps or Postcards then it could then be used for all countries.

I hope this becomes clearer with this explanation, I just want to suggest something that I think is more effective.

Postage Stamps is a separate section, have you already looked there, so not at Postzegels ...

look under Other / Postmarking