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Marco,

I'm testing it with Reggae singers on Records, CD's and Vinyl.

So I'm doing Rita Marley (just the wife of ;-)) but this one lady has 2 collection areas? one as an artist and one as a composer now the information is with her as an artist but not as a composer but it is the same Rita. see:

The artist Rita does have the info: http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/plaatjes-cd-s-en-vinyl/artists-bands/359533-marley-rita

The composer Rita has no info: http://www.catawiki.nl/ catalog / record-cd-s-and-vinyl / composer / 1326111-marley-rita

The same is the case with countries for Stamps, Coins and Banknotes when I write a background story about Eg Vietnam in stamps, that story does not come with Vietnam Coins and Vietnam Banknotes that is a pity what Vietnam remains Vietnam whether you save stamps or coins or banknotes :)

But nevertheless a very nice and useful tool

the info is with her as an artist but not as a composer but it is the same Rita

(cough) central register (cough)

Just like Wikipedia, we use a simple formatting language with which you can make parts of the text bold, for example.

Then I wonder why for a different system chosen is what was already implemented here on the notice boards. It offers no fundamentally different options and here the input screen immediately gives a preview, which is much clearer in my opinion.

Some more suggestions:

- In my opinion it is wise to make a date field of the date of birth and date of death, so that it can be displayed identically everywhere, so not in one place August 10, 1970 and on another page August 10, 1970 or August 10, 1970.
(Keep in mind that it must also be possible to enter only a year. No exact dates are known for Plato, for example. )

- When creating a new background page, it is not clear that the bottom two fields (Newest item and Oldest item) can (or should be) left empty, because they are automatically filled in. A brief explanation might be useful.

@Arco: Wijzigt Overleden dan ook in Overlijdensdatum, Marco?

ja, dat is aangepast.

@Arco: En heb je mijn opmerking over Nationaliteit gezien?

Heb ik over het hoofd gezien. Kijk ik nog even naar.

@Mortis: als je zet Geboren: en dan de mogelijkheid hebt om en plaats en datum in te vullen dan is Geboren goed. Als je Geboortedatum als voorzet gebruikt, dan moet Geboorteplaats er ook weer apart in.

@Boekenmagazijn: - Het is m.i. verstandig om van geboortedatum en sterfdatum een datumveld te maken, zodat het overal identiek kan worden weergegeven, dus niet op de ene plek 10-08-1970 en op een andere pagina 10 augustus 1970 of 10 aug 1970. (Hou er wel rekening meer dat het ook mogelijk moet zijn alleen een jaartal in te vullen. Van bv. Plato zijn geen exacte data bekend.)

Hmm.. goede punten. Wij hadden inderdaad in eerste instantie Geboren er neer gezet zodat je zowel plaats als geboortedatum kan invoeren. Of een jaar als je het niet precies weet. Bij nader inzien is het volgens mij toch handiger om twee velden te hebben (datum en plaats), en dat het datum veld slim is, dus dat je ook alleen een jaar kan invoeren. Kom ik op terug.

@Zwendel: Ik ben waarschijnlijk stekeblind, maar ik zie die link niet :-) (tenzij ik op 'Achtergrondinformatie Wijzigen' klik)

Dat is wat ik bedoelde.

@Zwendel: Ik bedoelde eigenlijk dat er bij de items zelf zou moeten aangegeven worden of het item/achtergrondinformatie al dan niet gereviewd is (een beetje zoals Wikipedia doet). Weinig gebruikers kennen het bestaan van 'Historie'.

Waar zie jij die functie in Wikipedia zitten? Bij wikipedia wordt niet gereviewd. Mensen brengen alleen een wijziging aan als iets niet correct is. 

We willen hierbij dezelfde lijn volgen als bij de catalogus. Daar zie je op de historie pagina staan wat er allemaal is gereviewd. Je ziet dat niet direct bij het item.

@Zwendel: Overigens is er weer iets raar: als ik bovenstaande link aanklik en dan naar Henk Albers ga verschijnt het icoontje 'binnengekomen post' bij mijn naam

Dat zie je dan neem ik aan op de reeds bestaande pagina van Henk Albers (met alle items daarop), terwijl het op de achtergrondpagina wel goed gaat. Toch? Ik zie dat ook. Is niet correct. Kijken we naar.

@Sinbad: Dus ik doe Rita Marley (juist de vrouw van ;-) ) maar deze dame heeft 2 verzamelgebieden? een als artiest en een als componist nu staat de info wel bij haar als artiest maar niet als componist maar het is dezefde Rita.

Op het moment dat je een nieuwe achtergrond pagina aanmaakt wordt er gekeken of er in een andere rubriek al een verzamelgebied met dezelfde naam voorkomt. Indien dat het geval is worden die getoond. Dan kun je er voor kiezen om die achtergrondspagina te tonen, of om een nieuwe aan te maken.

@Pegag: (kuch) centraal register (kuch)

Het is dus nog niet een centraal register, maar je kunt de informatie wel delen. Dat is ook handige informatie als we voor het centrale register verzamelgebieden moeten gaan combineren.

@Boekenmagazijn: Dan vraag ik me toch af waarom voor een ander systeem gekozen is dan wat hier op de forum al geïmplementeerd was. Het biedt geen wezenlijk andere opties en hier geeft het invulscherm meteen een preview, wat naar mijn mening stukken duidelijker is.

We hadden in eerste instantie ook hetzelfde systeem gebruikt dat we op het forum gebruiken. Dat systeem genereert HTML code's. Als je vervolgens gaat reviewen dan wordt het veel lastiger om te laten zien wat er precies gewijzigd is omdat er allemaal HTML code's in zitten. De beheerders die het toen getest hadden kregen er acuut hoofdpijn van :-) Vandaar dat we voor dezelfde aanpak als Wikipedia hebben gekozen. Doordat er nu eenvoudige opmaakcode's in staan is het veel eenvoudiger om duidelijk het verschil te laten zien wat er is gewijzigd. 

@Boekenmagazijn: Bij het aanmaken van een nieuwe achtergrondpagina is het niet duidelijk dat de onderste twee velden (Nieuwste item en Oudste item) leeg gelaten kunnen (of eigenlijk moeten) worden, omdat die automatisch worden ingevuld. Een korte toelichting erbij is wellicht handig.

Goed punt. Zetten we er bij.

@Arco: Does Deceased also change to Date of Death, Marco?

yes, that has been modified.

@Arco: And did you see my comment about Nationality?

I overlooked. I'll take another look.

@Mortis: if you put Born: and then have the option to enter a place and date, Born is good. If you use Date of Birth as a preposition, Place of Birth must also be added separately.

@Boekenmagazijn: - In my opinion, it is wise to make a date field from date of birth and date of death, so that it can be displayed identically everywhere, so not 10-08-1970 in one place and 10 August 1970 or 10 Aug 1970 on another page. (Keep in mind that it should also be possible to enter only a year. No exact dates are known for Plato, for example.)

Hmm.. good points. Indeed, we had initially put Born there so that you can enter both place and date of birth. Or a year if you don't know exactly. On second thought, I think it is more convenient to have two fields (date and place), and that the date field is smart, so that you can only enter a year. I'll come back.

@Scam: I'm probably blind, but I don't see that link :-) (unless I click 'Change background info')

That's what I meant.

@Scam: I actually meant that the items themselves should indicate whether or not the item/background information has been reviewed (a bit like Wikipedia does). Few users know about the existence of 'History'.

Where do you see that function in Wikipedia? Wikipedia is not reviewed. People only make a change when something is not correct.

We want to follow the same line as with the catalogue. There you can see on the history page what has been reviewed. You don't see that directly with the item.

@Zwendel: By the way, there is something strange again: when I click on the link above and then go to Henk Albers, the icon 'incoming mail' appears next to my name

I assume you can see that on Henk Albers' existing page (with all items on it), while things are going well on the background page. However? I see that too. Is not correct. Let's look at.

@Sinbad: So I do Rita Marley (the very wife of ;-) ) but this lady has 2 collecting areas? one as an artist and one as a composer now the info is with her as an artist but not as a composer but it is the same Rita.

When you create a new background page, it is checked whether there is already a collection area with the same name in another section. If so, they will be shown. Then you can choose to show that background page, or to create a new one.

@Pegag: (cough) central register (cough)

So it is not yet a central register, but you can share the information. This is also useful information if we need to combine collecting areas for the central register.

@Boekenmagazijn: Then I wonder why a different system was chosen than what was already implemented here on the forum. It offers no substantially different options and here the input screen immediately gives a preview, which in my opinion is much clearer.

We had initially also used the same system that we use on the forum. That system generates HTML codes. If you then start reviewing, it becomes much more difficult to show exactly what has been changed because it contains all HTML codes. It gave the administrators who tested it an acute headache :-) That's why we chose the same approach as Wikipedia. Because it now contains simple formatting codes, it is much easier to clearly show the difference what has been changed.

@Bookstore: When creating a new background page, it is not clear that the bottom two fields (Newest item and Oldest item) can (or should) be left empty, because they are filled in automatically. A brief explanation may be helpful.

Good point. Let's add it.

So it is not yet a central register

I am very aware of that, but it again shows how important it is that it will happen. ;-)

That is why we have chosen the same approach as Wikipedia. Because it now contains simple formatting codes, it is much easier to clearly show the difference what has been changed.

Because the left column (old) does not have the same width as the right column (new) you are forced to compare everything word for word. If the columns were exactly the same width, the changes would almost immediately jump off the screen, because you often see shifts. Can that be changed?

@Arco: Because the left column (old) does not have the same width as the right column (new), you are forced to compare everything word for word. If the columns were exactly the same width, the changes would almost immediately jump off the screen, because you often see shifts. Can that be changed?

That's right. We adjust.

Als ik afbeeldingen toevoeg komen die wel in de preview, maar niet in de definitieve versie. Is dat de bedoeling?

When I add images , they appear in thepreview , but not in the final version . Is that the intention?

Hmm .. at the moment all relative links are allowed. I changed the bottom piece and then it works:

Yes, now it works.

What I also wonder: is there also no possibility to make the images smaller, because now it is not very readable.

@Marco,

Thanks for the explanation ..

@Sinbad: So I do Rita Marley (just the wife of ;-)) but this lady has 2 collection areas? one as an artist and one as a composer now the info is with her as an artist but not as a composer but it is the same Rita.

The moment you create a new background page, it is checked whether there is already a collection area with the same name in another section. If so, they will be shown. Then you can choose to show that background page, or to create a new one.

@Pegag: (cough) central register (cough)

So it is not yet a central register, but you can share the information. This is also useful information if we have to combine collection areas for the central register.

A bit dull of me, but now I just don't quite understand it anymore :-(

How can I now also link Rita Marley the Reggea singer to the same Rita but now in the capacity of composer?

And is that also possible with the country of Vietnam if you have made a story about coins and banknotes for stamps ???

Can you, for example, make a collection area Indonesia give a description of Indonesia and there, for example, the stamps, coins and banknotes of Indonesia, NL Indie, NL new guinea, maps, books, comics, music CDs, Indonesian match brands and the national airline company Garuda, not to mention the old Dutch Indian postcards / hang on if so (that would be cool) how do you do that or do I run on now?

PS I now have Aruba stamps referring to Aruba coins (The story is about Aruba so is the same for both but if you now click on the Aruba story for stamps you will get to the coins: (

@Sinbad: Can you e.g. create a collection area Indonesia give a description of Indonesia and there e.g. the stamps, coins and banknotes of Indonesia, NL Indie, NL new guinea, maps, books, comics, music CDs, Indonesian match brands and the national airline company Garuda, not to mention the old Dutch Indian postcards if so (that would be cool) how do you do that or do I carry on now?

Yes you can, and yes you carry on :-)

It works like this. For example, you create a background page about Indonesia for stamps. Then you go to Indonesia at coins and click on 'Background page'. There you will see that it is indicated that there is already a page for Indonesia. I think you have already done that in Aruba.

As for the example of Indonesia, NL Indie and NL New Guinea. I wonder if you want to change these all to the same background page because you probably want to add your own story. If you would like that and you go to NL New Guinea for example, you will see that no existing page is found yet. At the top of the page is the link " Refer this area to different area ". With that you can then make a link to Indonesia. Again, I don't know if that is the best approach in terms of content, but technically it is possible anyway.

Regarding Garuda's example, I would certainly make a separate page. By the way, you can make a link to Indonesia again on that page. You can add links to other pages on Catawiki.

@Sinbad: PS I now have Aruba stamps referring to Aruba coins (The story is about Aruba so is the same for both but if you click on the Aruba story for stamps now you will get to the coins :(

That is indeed not very logical. I'll just check why we did it that way. There was a good reason for that, but now that I see it this way it doesn't make sense .

I've seen that the Nationality field is already becoming a mess. One user places Dutch, the other Dutch, the next Dutch. The latter seems entirely correct to me. (I have also seen Frans.) But in the foreseeable future we will have everything at least double or triple. Can we come up with a solution for this?

Where can we manage those fields by the way? Nationality, place of birth, place of death, place of incorporation, founders?

And is the place of business not better? In general, how do we know where something has been founded? In the pub of Bolle Jan? In Yab Yum?

The Taalunie provides the answer: http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/vraag/570/

Anything goes.

@Arco: I've seen the Nationality field already getting messy. One user places Dutch, the other Dutch, the next Dutch. The latter seems entirely correct to me. (I have also seen Frans.) But in the foreseeable future we will have everything at least double or triple. Can a solution be devised for this?

Two options: we ensure that there is a list of nationalities and you have to choose that. Or we use the country list we have.

@Arco: And isn't Location better? In general, how do we know where something has been founded? In the pub of Bolle Jan? In Yab Yum?

Since companies can also have multiple locations, you should strictly use the location of the head office.

@Arco: Where can we manage those fields by the way? Nationality, place of birth, place of death, place of incorporation, founders?

At the moment it is free text. We have already talked about nationality. As for places, to get it right you should actually split that back into place and country. Or leave it free text.

Does anyone have an example of a background page that has already been reviewed?
I can't find one that you can see in the History.

For an item in the catalog, the text in the History will turn green if it has been reviewed (or red if it has been rejected), but this page I still can't see if an administrator has looked at it.

@Book magazine,

Looks nice

@Marco,

I think it's a shame that only 1 picture can be added, with people snap I only do it at eg South Vietnam I could only add a picture of the flag I would like it if there is also a map and a photo of an important person, building or event for South Vietnam :-)

What looks nice? Manon?

You can put as many images in the text as you want. See the example from Scam.

Only no Catawiki C's will appear?

Short update:

Based on your feedback, we have adjusted the following:

1. The input page now contains information about input instructions. Both about the format codes and about the rules of the game concerning input. The rules of the game are still brief but are intended as a starting point.
   
2. If you use the quote function, the quoted text will also be properly formatted.
   
3. Nationality is now also shown.
   
4. The times are now correctly displayed in the history. (You can now see that Jilles was not at his computer at 4:21 AM, but at 6:21 AM :-)
   
5. In history and when reviewing, the left and right columns are now the same width so that you can more easily see the differences.
   
6. When reviewing, the breadcrumb path is now displayed.
   
7. In the discussion about "Born", it was briefly mentioned that it was useful to have a separate field for the date and place. That was already the case. We've only changed Born to Date of Birth, and Changed Death to Place of Death.

Another update tomorrow.

Points we are working on now:

1. Being able to review a number of extra fields such as the type, and links to other sections.
   
2. Show the status of the changes in the history using the same color codes as in the catalog (approved, rejected, not yet reviewed).
   
3. Overview page for administrators with all new background pages.
   

@Boekenmagazijn: For an item in the catalog, the text in the History turns green if it has been reviewed (or red if it has been rejected), but to this page I still can't see if an administrator has looked at it.

That is indeed not yet clearly visible. We adjust. Must be displayed in the same way as in the catalog.

There are only no Catawiki C's appearing?

They must indeed be added.