LastDodo site & app/New gallery pages157 messages

@ user-1713548

Please also read the first line in my previous post.

For me and many others it is only difficult to understand why certain things have changed this or that way. To begin with, I am not targeting anyone, certainly not. But now it seems as if hardly anything was detected by those test users during testing. No collector is going to deny the usefulness of certain 'functions' such as the location of filters,

I start from the idea that if you arrive at a 'start page / screen (so before scrolling), you should be able to see the most important and elementary information on this page right away. In such a way that it is immediately clear to new or less intensive users.

Would be a great help if you knew what all the buttons mean. But nothing to see when you pass.

And again I'm not targeting anyone. But can one explain to us (no matter who (Tammo, René, Marc, one of the developers) why, for example, those filters have been replaced. To be clear: that's what I think about it (but I also think many others).

And also see my previous post. There is also such a thing as self-criticism.

And you can learn from criticism.

And that in turn has a constructive effect.

When I read that some collectors will drop out because it is too much hassle to consult something, look for duplicates, keep a collection, etc. then bells must ring ...

And users who drop out is usually a sign on the wall ...

En zo is maar net, goed gezegt Buizer, @ user snapt er niets van.

mensen die elke dag werken op de site, die willen gewoon door werken, en niet ineens gaan uitzoeken hoe alles werkt omdat de hele boel omgegooid is.

en is het geod gelukt, nou niet echt, het is totaal onoverzichtig geworden.

ik heb  mijn scherm op 50% gezet dan zie ik iets meer en hoef nietveel te scrollen, als ik te snel scrol, dan zie ik ineens de veiling aanbiedingen, maar dat wil ik niet zien op pagina waar ik bezig ben.

en dan niet te vergeten dat eerst de terugknop verdwenen was, en nu ineens zitten we tegen grote afbeeldingen te kijken, als je dit een verbetering noemt.

Als ze alleen de afbeelding iets groter hadden gemaakt (ondanks dat dit niet hoefde) en alle functies hadden laten zitten, dan had je niemand gehoord.

het is daarom ook niet verwonderlijk dat er mensen kritiek hebben, immers het werkt niet meer goed. zoals het zou moeten horen, en niet omdat we het gewend zijn.

je kunt niet alles zien, en daarom krijgen we nu heel veel doublures en wordt de catalogus vervuild, en krijgen de beheerders nog meer werk.

And so it is, well said Buizer, @ user does not understand it.

people who work every day on the site, they just want to continue working, and not suddenly find out how everything works because the whole thing has been overturned.

and did it work out well, well not really, it has become completely unclear.

I set my screen to 50% then I see a little more and don't have to scroll much, if I scroll too fast, I suddenly see the auction offers, but I don't want to see that on the page I'm working on.

not to mention that first the back button was gone, and now suddenly we're looking at large images, if you call this an improvement.

If they'd just made the image a little bigger (although they didn't have to) and left out all the features, you wouldn't have heard anyone.

it is therefore not surprising that people criticize it, after all it no longer works well. as it should be, and not because we are used to it.

you can't see everything, and that's why we're getting a lot of duplications now and the catalog is being polluted, and the administrators are getting even more work.

For me, the old version can also come back.

Not going to happen. We have been redesigning and developing everything in phases since the start of LastDodo. This has also been made clear from the beginning of the transition.

The fact that choices are sometimes made is inherent to the development and use of new techniques. In doing so, we start from the existing functionality and gradually expand it further. It is a shame that a number of people are not happy about this, but we are certainly not going to stop or go backwards with the further development of the platform.

It is a pity that experienced users suddenly start complaining after the new gallery pages go live, partly because everyone had the chance to sign up for testing. The testers did a good job and we are very grateful to them for the mistakes they found.

Stamps is a section that needs a lot of attention because of the many special features that the section has in it. We are busy looking at how we can improve the left column of selection options. Unfortunately, the people on the forum did not respond to my suggestion to get a selection field o for the nominal value. We do see this as an opportunity to create a better selection / search option. There are probably more options, but we will stick to the current design.

Thanks to your (sometimes very critical) constructive comments, we continue with a lot of energy to improve LastDodo.

Thanks to your (sometimes very critical) constructive comments, we continue with a lot of energy to improve LastDodo.

Please make the correction to make the overview page clear again.

And if you don't have the time to sign up as a tester, it shouldn't mean that you don't have the right to speak up?

I think the new gallery page looks good. But like others, I find the images (thumbnails) too big. A quarter, maybe a little bigger, of the big ones they are now is big enough in my opinion. I also find the "items selected" bar at the bottom too wide. It can be a bit narrower.

It looks fine on the computer, but I work a lot with my tablet. This makes it seem a bit more cluttered and cluttered.

I have no problem with the page itself, but just think the photos are way too big for the purpose they serve, simple.
And I don't like the comment that you shouldn't complain because you had the chance to test, to put it nicely ...

Communication is so difficult and it takes so long. Terminology that makes it possible to talk past each other. Incompatible views. It's own right.

I think it is kind of your collector that you mention the sore spot so clearly for me: the technology.

For me the means to give shape to content and thus vision and thus subordinate to that goal. As you now call it, it happens that the shape arises from the possible technique.

Your second comment, gosh. The test period is only now starting, experienced users will let you know in all openness how they experience the result. There is enormous benefit to be gained from this, that is a gift! Thank you for being able to pay attention to that in your final comment, but it doesn't rhyme.

@Tammo

Okay understood. The old version is not going to come back I can understand that.

But also do something about the selection and search options at 'Strips'. One of the largest sections on LD. Often visited by collectors. With many administrators. Who do a good job. An example. Just put something wrong on it; does not take half a day or has been improved.

But in terms of "user-friendliness" no example now.

And that applies to both intensive and less intensive users.

If it can be viewed at Stamps, I think that the selection and search options in the Comics section would also be reviewed. Please note in terms of items the second largest section.

@Buizer,

So what's wrong with comics? Do you have examples?

In a month they will not know any better, and they will be used to these pages.

In a month they will know better fazerco they have experienced it.
Used to? Tj you have to make do with what you have.

In addition, instead of focusing on 1 person, the arguments have been mentioned several times by several people and are concrete. I can turn them into chocolate, they are clear and recognizable to everyone. You are not in kindergarten.

Whining afterwards when you could have just 'tested' or see what it will look like. And you mean retirement home right?

Testing is not intended to change functionality, only to see if functionality actually works as it was invented.

Gentlemen and / or ladies constructive please.

I didn't really want to react in any other way than to say that I personally like the new. I will find out what is / is not possible (I did not test in this 2nd run).

If I find something that could be improved, I can indicate it.
Then pick up on a piece from an earlier message:

the shape arises from the possible technique

Unfortunately the answer to that is: yes

The why I answer yes to that is separate from this topic, but applies to any existing website.
It is forced upon you by the development of the global Internet and the resources you employ.
Do you have a cell phone? o and also a tablet, but it should also work on windows, android mac, linux etc ... Okay .. let's do it anyway ...

Test & gt; development / outcome / response / test / development ... cycle ... but it takes time ... the 'perfect' program does not exist (yet) ..

(edit: ps I'm just (hopefully contributing slightly) a member of LD and not internally associated with this.)

Naast de vernieuwing, die wel degelijk (mijn mening) goede elementen en verbeteringen bavat, en die wellicht achterliggend nog ingrijpender is om tegemoet te komen aan de (absurde of niet absurde) nieuwe technologieën, zijn er 2 grootste knelpunten zijn:

- te grote afbeeldingen waardoor er minder items op het scherm tegelijkertijd kunnen bekeken worden;
- filterconcept (links vertikaal ipv één horizontaal blok bovenaan).

In het draadje 

https://www.lastdodo.nl/forum/forums/33-nieuws/topics/25269-testgebruikers-gevraagd-voor-nieuwe-galerijpagina-s

kwam dit ook allemaal aan bod.  Er is wel degelijk getest door verschillende personen, die òòk verzamelaar zijn.  Blijkbaar is de gewenning vlug ingetreden.  De nieuwe layout werd toch zo in productie genomen.  Misschien moeten we ook allemaal enkele weken zonder wrok de nieuwe gallerijpagina's (intensief) gebruiken en zien of we na een tijdje onze weerstand vergeten?

Ik ben er van overdtuigd dat de 2 grootste knelpunten voldoende aandacht hebben gehad om er niet naast te kijken.  Benieuwd wat - en hoe - er na een tijdje zal bijgestuurd worden.  Elke stap zal dan weer in de goede richting zijn.
Gewoon een consolidatie en bevestiging van de top is nu m.i. voldoende om in deze (interessante) draad ook andere zaken te belichten.

De nieuwe elementen die echt veel beter zijn dan voorheen zijn ondertussen wel beschikbaar voor iedereen.  Soms een detail, maar in het gebruik een duidelijk merkbare vooruitgang.  De altijd aanwezige balk onderaan tbv toevoegen bv. is bijna zaligmakend (om meerdere redenen).

In addition to the innovation, which (in my opinion) does contain good elements and improvements, and which may be even more drastic in the background to meet the (absurd or not absurd) new technologies, there are 2 biggest bottlenecks:

- images that are too large so that fewer items can be viewed on the screen at the same time;
- filter concept (left vertical instead of one horizontal block at the top).

In the thread

https://www.lastdodo.nl/forum/forums/33-nieuws/topics/25269-testusers-asked-for-new-gallerypage-s

this all came up. It has indeed been tested by various people, who are also collectors. Apparently the habit has set in quickly. The new layout was put into production anyway. Maybe we should also all use the new gallery pages (intensely) for a few weeks without resentment and see if we forget our resistance after a while?

I am convinced that the 2 biggest bottlenecks have received sufficient attention not to overlook them. Curious what - and how - will be adjusted after a while. Every step will then be in the right direction.
Just a consolidation and confirmation of the top is now sufficient in my opinion to also highlight other matters in this (interesting) thread.

The new elements that are really much better than before are now available to everyone. Sometimes a detail, but in use a clearly noticeable progress. The always present bar at the bottom for adding eg is almost blissful (for several reasons).

Hear hear!

- images that are too large, so that fewer items on the screen can be viewed at the same time

Some testers have also commented on the size of the images. But over time, habituation sets in.
This does not detract from the fact that we will of course take constructive criticism into account and will look at how we can have the images in the gallery adjusted by the users themselves, to fit the design.

@ fazerco

Then read my previous posts again.

Now take Suske en Wiske. There are 10 filter options at Strips. In the past you selected, for example, 9 out of 10 options and clicked on search and you had the result. They were nicely in blue so that you immediately saw which filters were open.

If I now want to use the same 9 filters, I have to search for them on the left. So a lot of scrolling and clicking. Because you only have one or four possibilities each time, so you have to click on more. And in the past you had the drop down.

That only ensures that those few 100,000 users (including administrators) only take longer to find an item.

What about functionality and ease of use when you consider the enormous loss of time for all users?

But it is clear that it does not work well for certain sections. Such as Postage Stamps. But also with Strips, Coins, Sugar packets, Trading Cards, ..

All very large sections with many items. And so often visited and consulted. And where you often have to use a lot of filters to find something.

The fact is that Tammo already indicated in one of his latest messages that it might be reviewed at Postzegels.

So self-criticism does exist ...

And we'll consider it positive.

And it's just my opinion (hope Tammo reads along). If something were to be done about those filters (so back above), this would be of great benefit ...

After all, LD is there for and by the members .. And they may still have a little bit of say.

And before the storm breaks, I am not targeting anyone personally, after all, this is a forum where I thought it was allowed to express his opinion ...

@Collectioneur, what surprises me is the fact that I don't understand why they are in this new layout, which I don't mind (I have now set my screen to 75%, so I see more stamps of 1 page ) but why has the ability to switch between Showcase and Photo Gallery disappeared?

It is very important that you have an overview of several years to avoid placing duplicates and also to trace duplicates.

every stamp that I am going to place can therefore be a duplicate, after all there is no overview anymore. partly the fact that there were always duplicates placed, which is now even worse. how busy Postmaster and the administrators will be through this hassle.

Read about the comments of all collectors, overview, overview is missing, click and click again, and leave the fuctions as they were. people have been working with this system for 11 years, renewed may, but leave all functions intact.

How much more criticism does lastDodo want to have

@ Buizer,

May I ask why you don't search by title? That is much easier than on Suske en Wiske, and then find your way back through the filters.

@Tammo

With stamps also being able to select by facial value would indeed be an extra help to find items faster. In some cases that is the only thing that can be seen with certainty on the stamp ...

Furthermore - also as a test user - I don't think there is much difference at all between the current and the previous version. The only comment I can agree with, and one that I also learned during testing, is the size of the photos. Allowing more scrolling. The rest is a matter of getting used to. In many cases the old version was really no better than it is now, but it was familiar of course.

@ fazerco

Everyone searches in their own way.

And the explanation is very simple.

How do you add, for example, 10 albums softcover 1st edition uncoloured dutch suske en wiske van standard to your collection? 10 x title typing, searching and adding each time? Then you still work with the filters and still add "in bulk".

By way of example. If, for example, you receive 3000 strips tomorrow through a donation and want to enter them in your collection, then type and enter the title 1 by 1. That will only take more time ...

And so I think is also a good example of the importance of the filters at the top.

@ Tammo,

In the new layout, the filters are on the left.

But when I look at my collection, the filters are at the top.

That's not consistent, is it?

Either you put everything on the left or you put everything at the top ...

.

Not every page has already been transferred to the new layout

@ Collectioneur

"In the old gallery there was no option to select / filter by nominal value for Stamps. That is why this option is not shown on the left side. Wouldn't it help if that option was available now? "

I have been hoping for that for years, I say do! Along with:

- smaller images so that more fits on 1 page (or make the number per page adjustable, also not an unusual option [20-50-100-200 -...]) and

- a smaller share of "featured auction lots" at the bottom of the page. If I want to see auctions, I go to CataWiki and

- the LastDodo information block at the very bottom should be less prominent, even if one can be proud of this site!

The new selection and bulk addition to collection / search list / shop is a win! You can now see at a glance how many items you are adding. With large additions of 100+ you have the problem that this is not possible, and you have to deselect items again. Previously you only saw this when you clicked [Add bulk]. Now you can see at a glance how far you are. Nicely done!

Filtering also works better. Instead of first having to choose a letter from Theme and then scroll through the options, start typing now and see the matches right away.