LastDodo site & app/Adjustments to new commission model shops131 messages

We have made an adjustment that fixes this problem in the marketplace.

Yes, now it also works in Firefox for me. Thanks!

A choice has been made with a clear goal in mind, namely less administrative hassle. The fact that the supply of expensive items has decreased drastically is a shame, because you have less comparison material, but a list price that is well maintained / updated can compensate for that.

The auction is a good alternative for more expensive items. You attract a large audience and the costs are low compared to auction houses. However, you do run more risk than a fixed selling price. Everyone is free to decide for himself whether or not to run that risk. Given the wide reach of the auctions, I don't think a seller of a good item should be too afraid of a low yield.

@ Theoak


Met alle respect, maar wat je zegt is onzin.

"De shops" en "De veiling" zijn twee TOTAAL verschillende zaken.

En het één is TOTAAL geen alternatief voor het andere.

@ Theoak


With all due respect, what you're saying is nonsense.

"The shops" and "The auction" are two TOTALLY different things.

And one is TOTALLY no alternative to the other.

@steensnoeper:

With all due respect, but what you say is nonsense.

is not really constructive.

Try to indicate where you think the differences are. I probably agree with you too.

@ theoak:

but a list price that is well maintained / updated can overcome that.

The list price is ideally based on the interplay of supply and demand in the shops; the only "hard" reference to get a price picture compared to the raising of a wet finger.

I think they are both sales channels, so it is definitely an alternative.

However, it will not be suitable for everyone. There is a bit more tension and uncertainty in an auction and that is not suitable for everyone.

@ theoak

Of course they are both sales channels. So far we agree.

However, the link between auction and list price is not easy to establish where it is very clear in the shops.

Auction yield lists sink into oblivion while the supply and pricing in the shops provide an up-to-date picture of the current prices for an item.

@ comicstripshop:

You are right (Mea Culpa)

That could be better and I will also ensure that I substantiate my comments better now and in the future .

@ theoak:

Now ... For very expensive comics you just have fewer potential buyers.
Up to 50 to 60 % of the original asking price do a lot with it, but as the price goes higher most of them drop out.

I have seen items in the auction far below the expected price on several occasions.

It would be much better if a minimum price could be set for items with a market value above 1000 euros.

If it is all better with an auction, why is not every house or second-hand car sold through a public auction. It is generally known that this yields less.

Of course you sometimes also have more profit through an auction. (two bidders who have a high autobid are, for example) .. especially if there are many bidders on the item.

Anyway, it remains a bit of a gamble. However you flip or run it.

Now you can say a lot to that, but if it's not your 2500 euro comic then it's easy to comment on that or say the auction is a perfect alternative.

Let me give an example. I sold a ciso 4a in new condition for 240 euros (not through the auction). I am sure that if I had sold it through the auction I would not have made this amount. Just because this is a very specific strip it is very difficult to find in new condition. BUT ... You have to find the right buyer for it.

Not a hair on my head that even thought of selling it under 240 euros. Look for it in new condition ..., only it is not Rikki & amp; Wiske.

I mean ... you just can't compare the shops and the auction. These are two completely different sales channels.

With the auction you can score better or much less than you thought. It is like looking at coffee grounds.

Some books (for which there is a lot of demand) are good for the auction, others are not. They are therefore no less valuable, just less potential buyers.

gr

For items with a value of more than 350 euros, it is possible to enter a starting bid of up to 70% of the estimated value. That protects the seller from underpricing for expensive items.

Ciso 4a, however, is a good example of the auction's success. On March 6, that issue was sold in new condition for 455 euros.

Steensnoeper wrote:

I sold a ciso 4a in mint condition for 240 euros (not through the auction). I am sure that if I had sold it through auction I would not have made this amount.

Indeed, Theoak, in March he is still auctioned for 455 euros.

Ciso 7a is by the way auctioned for 800 euros in very good condition.

Our auction has so much reach that special lots almost always get good yields. It can also be disappointing of course. But if you keep bringing in more lots, the outliers will usually more than compensate for an occasional setback.

I am still quite new to Catawiki, but I am particularly interested in the collector's shops.

I did follow the entire discussion about the debacle +75 euro objects of which I have to admit that I "rock candy" well. can understand. In my opinion, paying commission in advance, regardless of whether a sale will take place, is absurd, even more so, there are also restrictions (three photos).

On the other hand, I also understand Catawiki, which wants less hassle and income, with which she can maintain the site. Only I wonder whether it is wiser to have every seller with a Wki site pay a fixed amount, regardless of the turnover, say a kind of membership. For example, many shoulders can carry a smaller amount. Furthermore, CW can still make sense of its auctions.

I don't have a shop myself, but I would find it acceptable to have to pay, for example, 25 euros per year. I myself think that this will not be a problem for anyone, after all, you can manage your own shop for this amount, right? Of course something is being sold here and there, even if only in small amounts. In my view, it is completely unreasonable to have specialized shops with a lot of +75 euros of material payable for this on their own, someone with 20,000 small offers "will probably achieve even more sales and (if I have understood correctly) are exempt from any payment to CW.

A few points to consider:

1. Anyone who has a sales shop pays a basic amount (say 25 euros)

2. Sales shops that have more photos want to be able to place their objects (which is sometimes necessary) pay an extra amount annually. (say +25 euros)

3. No commission is charged on the sales of the shops, unless the seller indicates extra CW want to use services (PM)

4. The CW auction will continue to exist and the costs can remain unchanged, a member can decide whether he / she wants to participate or not).

For example, more ideas and modules can be devised, but if we want to keep Catawiki as a reference catalog, more expensive (read + 75euro) objects are certainly not missing in the general overviews, although it will look more and more like that due to the new regulation.

Holds Catawiki from the initial roots and divide the burdens, otherwise the interest will quickly take off. occasionally and expires CW is a kind of "investigators" opposite "Marktplaats".

Lots of wisdom and keep Catawiki up and running!

@MarcelSpecht,

Thank you for your feedback.

In order to be able to set up a professional site and to be able to offer continuity, an income stream is indeed very important.

You can generate income in all kinds of ways. We have chosen to keep the site completely free for people who want to keep track of their collection, who want to consult the catalog, who want to always have their collection and search list at hand via mobile apps and for people who want to sell common collectibles.

We choose to only ask for money from sellers who want to sell more expensive collectibles (75+ euros) through our auctions or in the shops / marketplace.

That is a clear choice and you can of course discuss it extensively, but it at least makes it possible for the vast majority of our users to use Catawiki for free. The alternative would be that other groups of users have to pay for our services.

You write:

I don't have a shop myself, but I would find it acceptable to pay, for example, 25 euros a year. I personally don't think this will be a problem for anyone

I think you overestimated that. In practice, the willingness to pay for services on the Internet is not that great. Our idea is that if people want to sell expensive objects and we are able to realize a good platform for this, it is not so bad to pay us something. In practice, that works well in any case and it also feels like a fair model. It's also a nice simple message: everything is free, unless you want to sell more expensive items.

@comicstripshop, you wrote:

I feel astonished when I see René write that so far there is great satisfaction with the outcome of the policy changes.

I was mainly referring to satisfaction with the much after work for us that has now almost disappeared because we no longer send commission invoices afterwards (which always caused a lot of hassle because large groups of sellers did not know that they had to pay commission or that did not go through, should indicate the status "canceled"). Also, expensive orders are no longer canceled under suspicious circumstances (to which the buyer sometimes cheerfully gave a positive feedback). We no longer have to chase that either. All this really saves us a lot of time and we always have too little of that. We can do better to further develop the site :-)

Sometimes you have to accept decisions even if they are not to your liking, so I'll do that in this one. Place free items in the shop up to € 75.00 and pay above that.

That is now a new rule. In the beginning everything was free and it would stay that way. Well, there is no such thing as free. So the commission was put in place. There was a lot of protest against that because it was said that it would always be free. Rules change every time and that even in such a short period of time, stop that, I would say. This only causes unrest and gives the user an unreliable feeling.

I myself remain in favor of Catawiki's revenue model, the shop being free and the auctions generating the money.

@rene,

Doesn't blame me for responding at this late hour. Of course I fully understand that CW must generate a flow of money, there need be no misunderstandings about that either. All praise that CW remains free for everyone (really) but the burden is now on a few shoulders and in my opinion that is not fair. You make people pay for something they don't have at all (read: sales). Even there is not even the problem, but I think you now measure with two measures!

Of course someone who sells an object +75 euros can contribute something to CWm as you say yourself, you give them for that a platform, advertising and attention. But don't you do the same for -75 euros for sellers? They also receive all that attention and support, but do not have to pay for it ... Now think that they do not have more expensive items, but they do not come into the shop because people simply refuse to pay for them. All those items, information so important to collectors, move to other websites where it is cheaper to sell things. The strength of CW lies precisely in the bundling of comparative information and +75 euro objects are certainly part of that. I don't want to be doomed, but when such things disappear from CW and only, to put it bluntly, "dime stuff" on it, interest quickly diminishes. You must ensure that these +75 euro people are happy to put their objects on CW.

One attracts the other. How and how much money you want to generate with the site is entirely in the hands of your organization, but in my opinion you are going a bit too far in this regard.

Give the people what they want to see, read and compare, because that is what keeps CW in the air. If that interest is no longer there for many, CW will also be doomed to disappear silently. Be clear, equal monks equal hoods right? Anyone who sells or wants to sell something via CW, regardless of the amount, makes use of your commitment and advertising (read response) and would at least be able (and willing) to contribute to that.

It is not up to me to criticize your business philosophy, you will have talked about it quite well together, but please do not miss the point!

It is, again, the +75 euro customers who make the site so exciting. and keep it attractive. If they turn their asses out of the manger (and that is already underway), CW will not be much more than a dusty philatelists / coin group (and I certainly don't mean that degenerating).

Of course you can't. only maintain and manage such a site from the auction proceeds. To do this, you will have to look for a proportionate distribution of the costs, so that no party feels disadvantaged. Unfortunately, I cannot give you the exact solution, but in my opinion that is certainly not the way you are now.

Let me put it very simply: your organization has a race track every year, with fast, beautiful cars. This attracts a lot of visitors every year (great for the greenhouse). Then your organization will decide that "fast" cars are major polluters and therefore have to pay more starting money. Okay, that will go well for a year and maybe the next year, but at a certain point you will not even fill the free grandstand. The best thing (for which people come) is no longer there and so people stay away! Do not think now that you can make up for it later, the bad image cannot be boosted anymore.

Go just go back to the basics of Catawiki, readers for and by each other. Keep organizing the auctions and draw on reserves. Make a plan in which every selling shop contributes its part, (preferably) not link this to turnover and set a kind of contribution in. You do work, you advertise and as you say, you form a platform. If you don't want to pay, it is hard to say, just don't participate anymore! Collectors are of course, but sellers also have to pay for it.

Are you afraid of missing it, what good is it to you now? take advantage of the beaten track for which the most interesting contributions (read +75 euros) have to cough up the costs.

I do not want to say more about it, your auction is perfect and I buy something now and then, but the database is almost not interesting anymore.

All good, But where is the mandatory scan! Above 75 € is still missing See also News Own images required when offering more expensive items

@marcel woodpecker

I think your argument is quite presumptuous. To state that the +75 items make the catalog interesting. For someone else the "double stuff" can be very interesting.

All those items, important information for collectors, are moving to other websites

Nothing is moving from the catalog. Everything that is / has been in the shops has already been entered in the catalog.

Take advantage of the beaten track for which the most interesting contributions (read +75 euros) have to cough up the costs.

If you have followed the entire discussion carefully and read through previous postings, you may have read that the number of +75 items has decreased enormously and the "nice profit" no longer applies.

but the database is almost no longer interesting.

I put a very big question mark with this statement.

@ Rene, jij schreef:

Ik doelde vooral op tevredenheid over het vele nawerk voor ons dat nu nagenoeg verdwenen is omdat we geen commissie-facturen achteraf meer versturen

Dat is ondertussen dan wel duidelijk genoeg.

Maar wat te zeggen van mijn andere argument dat dit beleid links en rechts op weerstand, ongenoegen en onbegrip stuit? Dat is op zijn zachtst gezegd toch een ongewenst bij-effect en kan toch nooit de bedoeling geweest zijn van deze koers?

Los van alle (ook de minder charmante) emoties die sommigen hier uitspugen liggen er nog meer argumenten op tafel dat dit niet de zaligmakende methode is om de  kachel van zowel verzamelaars als (al dan niet professionele) shops naar tevredenheid te laten snorren.

De meesten onder ons zijn over het algemeen bereid te betalen zo blijkt. Ook de nieuwe, hogere, tarieven. Maar dan wel achteraf. Daar zal toch een mouw aan te passen zijn als de wil van jouw/jullie kant er is?

Mijn vraag is daarom simpel. Wil je de items +75euro eigenlijk wel in de shops?

Met een taaie, directieve, stugge structuur wbt het afrekenen van commissie zou het gezeur heus uitgebannen kunnen worden. Ik ben bereid garanties te geven, een depot ter beschikking te stellen en mijn wonden te likken als er een keer een verkoop niet doorgaat, zoekraakt in de post of wat al  niet. Dat deed ik immers al. Daar veranderd niks aan. Je weet dat je van mij geen gezeur achteraf zal ontvangen.

Waartoe ben jij/ zijn jullie bereid?

@ Rene, you wrote:

I mainly referred to satisfaction with the many after-work for us, which has now almost disappeared because we no longer send commission invoices afterwards

That is now clear enough.

But what about my other argument that this policy is met with resistance, dissatisfaction and incomprehension left and right? That is, to put it mildly, an undesirable side effect and can it never have been the intention of this course?

Apart from all the (also the less charming) emotions that some people spew out here, there are even more arguments on the table that this is not the perfect method to make the stove of both collectors and shops (whether professional or not) purr satisfactorily.

Most of us are generally willing to pay, it turns out. Also the new, higher, rates. But afterwards. Surely there will be a sleeve to adjust if the will of your / your side is there?

So my question is simple. Do you actually want the items +75 euros in the shops?

With a tough, directive, stiff structure regarding the settlement of commission, the nagging could really be banned. I am prepared to give guarantees, to provide a depot and to lick my wounds if a sale falls through, gets lost in the mail or whatever. After all, I already did. Nothing changes that. You know you won't get any nagging from me afterwards.

What are you/are you willing to do?

inderdaad, Theoak, die is in maart nog geveild voor 455 euro.

Ciso 7a is trouwens geveild voor 800 euro in zeer goede staat.

inderdaad de prijzen zijn soms verbluffend. soms is het gebrek aan kennis. Er zijn hier 2 items geveild voor 150 euro. Die items zijn in Frankrijk voor de helft te koop, nieuw! en 1e druk. Gelijk Amazon fr leeg gekocht.

Ik blijf de shops prachtig vinden. Vanavond nog een aantal pep en eppo nummers besteld om de jaargangen te complementeren. Nergens gaat dat zo makkelijk als hier. Marktplaats is een drama. En van het weekend een prachtige ruil gedaan. Ook de sfeer waarin dat gaat, is voor mij een reden hier te blijven.

indeed, Theoak, which was auctioned in March for 455 euros.

By the way, Ciso 7a was auctioned for 800 euros in very good condition.

indeed the prices are sometimes staggering. sometimes it is lack of knowledge. There are 2 items auctioned here for 150 euros. Those items are half for sale in France, new! and 1st edition. Just bought Amazon fr empty.

I still love the shops. Ordered a few pep and eppo numbers tonight to complement the volumes. Nowhere is that easier than here. Marketplace is a drama. And made a beautiful exchange this weekend. The atmosphere in which that goes is also a reason for me to stay here.

@paulcoret

Thank you for being happy with such experiences and for wanting to share them. I just don't see the link with the discussion here.

For yourself but also for clarity in this topic it would be good to remove your last message and place it in the topic where it belongs . If that doesn't work, the moderator may be able to help.

This is where things get worse.

@Marcel Specht.

Ik sluit mij helemaal aan bij het betoog van Marcel Specht. En waar hij sprak over database bedoelde hij wellicht het aanbod op Catawiki. De Catawiki database is interessant maar het (echte interessante) aanbod in de shops vind ik momenteel persoonlijk abominabel.

Ik mis nu echt de altijd aantrekkelijke combinatieaanbiedingen. Kan daar nu echt niets aan gedaan worden om die weer terug te krijgen? Zie eerdere posts met de suggestie om eventuele plaatsingskosten bij combinatieaanbiedingen te bepalen op basis van de individuele prijzen binnen de combinatie in plaats van de totale combinatieprijs.

Daar heb ik helaas nog geen respons van Catawiki op gezien.

@Marcel Specht.

I completely agree with Marcel Specht's argument. And when he talked about database, he probably meant the offer on Catawiki. The Catawiki database is interesting, but I personally find the (really interesting) offer in the shops abysmal at the moment.

I really miss the always attractive combination offers now. Is there really nothing that can be done to get it back? See previous posts suggesting that any placement fees for combination offers should be determined based on the individual prices within the combination instead of the total combination price.

Unfortunately, I have not yet seen a response from Catawiki.

Your proposal is too susceptible to fraud. How do you imagine those individual prices being set within the combination? I can combine 1 item of 295 euros with 3 of 1 euro. Total 298.00 divided by 4 = 74.50 so no placement costs?

@Bookstore

Hmmmm., I haven't even thought about that yet. So you see what a forum with multiple input is good for :-)

For me it is about more combination offers to come. I try not only to criticize but also to indicate a constructive solution.

What about no placement costs if the total combination price is less than € 75 x the number of items in the combination?

Example :

With a combination offer of 6 items, no placement costs if the total price is lower than € 450. (= 6 x € 75)

What could be the disadvantages of this?

Exactly the same as in my example. You can apply this to any amount.

1 item of 449 euros + 5 items of 5 cents = 449.25 euros.

@Bookstore

I assume that people will place serious and interesting combination offers that are also in demand. Then there could indeed also be an offer 1 item of € 449 + 5 of € 0.05.

In itself not so bad because, according to the Catawiki team, it is not about getting more money in, but about save time. Wouldn't even be a problem.

Even with the current arrangement, it is possible and still is being tampered with with high shipping costs or the already known tying to avoid placement costs. According to Catawiki it is not allowed, but it happens anyway.

With this I want to say that everything can be fraudulent, but I prefer to assume the good in people.

I would recommend it would be nice if the Catwiki team could arrange something for the combination offers.

My idea is just a proposal. A final solution for more combination offers will still have to be devised and decided by Catawiki. At least if Catawiki wants that too.

By way of illustration, a few figures of the current range of combination offers in the comics category:

Number of combination offers 4489 of which 45 with a price higher than € 74.99.

Drama ......

Ook een mooie gevonden:

70 euro,

en dan bij de beschrijving: eigenlijk verkoopsprijs 200 euro!

Mooi wel drie foto's erbij die duidelijk aangeven dat het om een herdruk uit 1984 gaat en niet de eerste druk uit 1949. Hij had dus de moeite van het valsspelen kunnen laten want in het beste geval krijgt hij er 5 euro voor (maar er zijn nog 30 andere aanbieders).

Ik heb al een mailtje gestuurd naar de verkoper.

Also found a nice one:

70 euros,

and then at the description: actually selling price 200 euros!

Nice to include three photos that clearly indicate that it is a reprint from 1984 and not the first edition from 1949. So he could have left the trouble of cheating because in the best case scenario he will receive 5 euros for it (but there are still 30 other providers).

I have already sent an email to the seller.