LastDodo site & app/Adjustments to new commission model shops131 messages

@ Dick52

And then something else ... your quote:

myself I have repeatedly asked for more than 3 scans

That says enough, don't you think?

A LOT of users ask for that, but apparently it doesn't matter.
Just ignore and continue is apparently the strategy.

I already see shipping costs of 55 euros .......

For example, I could sell a Mint condition "Blue and first edition - The envoys of Mars" here.

But I don't do that like this. For that Mint condition "Envoys from Mars" I want a certain price

I have already seen a LOT of first editions of "Envoys from Mars" and this is the most beautiful I have ever encountered.

Think Do you really think that I will pay xxx euros in advance to put that booklet here in my shop?

If Catawiki wants to earn money from me, it will have to adjust some things.

Point different line.

If I put that booklet up for sale here, I want to be able to add 10 photos. I am not going to answer everyone by email with extra photos.

Who does not understand that ...

And if catawiki (Rene So) does not want such items in the catawiki shops ( I DO NOT PAY IN ADVANCE), and if he continues to ignore the needs of the users, I will eventually provide an alternative perfectly managed new catalog website for comics myself (with shops).

The ball is in his camp.

@paulcoret

Your message should be slightly nuanced. The item in question has a sales price of € 70 and the shipping costs have been set by the seller at € 55. (oops, you have adjusted your message in the meantime)

In my opinion, this is not in conflict with rule 4 of the new regulations because it is actually for sale for that € 70. And perhaps very expensive packaging material is used and it is sent by registered mail and with high insurance ....

See previous posts about that rule no. 4 dated 01-04-2013. The tip has already been given that this rule should be reformulated, partly because items are also offered for sale on the condition that they are only bought in combination with one or more other items. (Tying). According to Catawiki, this is not allowed on the basis of rule 4, but this is not as it is formulated in that rule. Mi. so indeed just "legal".

For half I deliver an item personally throughout the Netherlands. So that 55 euros is inappropriate;) yes I adjusted it. does not want to pillory anyone personally.

ben het overigens 100% eens dat plaatsingskosten voor items >75 belachelijk is.

I agree 100% that posting fees for items >75 is ridiculous.

@paulcoret

You're right about the high shipping costs, but it's a buyer's choice whether or not to buy this item. The buyer will in any case cost the item € 125 in total. It will then be the buyer's sausage or € 55 shipping costs or € 22.50. Creative from that seller and again .... in my opinion. not contrary to the current wording of rule 4 of the new regulations.

I have been a legal assistant for years, but Catwiki will still believe that it is not allowed under rule 4.

I see your buyer's point. That's right, he is either willing or not. Have a nice Sunday.

@paulcoret

You too

Luckily there are still 2 people here through 1 door lol if I read all that above ^^ young young I will take my crap away, inappropriate. sorry

@Steensnoeper

then I will eventually provide an alternative perfectly managed new catalog website (with shops) for comics myself.

As the English say "Put your money where your mouth is"

You are free to do so, but many of your responses show that you are very dismayed that you can no longer post it on Catawiki. There are many possibilities on the internet to sell things. From Ebay to your own website. There is nothing that obliges you to post it on Catawiki.

A decision has been taken by Catawiki to introduce certain rules. If you don't agree with that, that's your problem. And you're trying to make your your problem a problem for Catawiki.

They will have really thought about the effects of the new rules at Catawiki. You are dealing with Dutch people (and I think the Belgians are not much less in that area) and if you hit them in their wallets, they suddenly wake up. Any sane person could count on their fingers that many shops would remove the 75+ items from their shop.

A model has been chosen that does not look at income but at convenience. Convenience for Catawiki, which in this way has more time to run the site. The revenue translation is only done by the people who comment on the forum here. I therefore find it totally inappropriate to talk about Catawiki-bay. If it were strictly about income, there are plenty of other options.

Scaling of the offer is another term used by the providers. I have heard few buyers talk about this. The collector knows how to find his way. He is spoiled for choice. Shops, auctions, fairs, internet, etc. Providers are afraid that their item at the auction will bring in too little, the buyer sees opportunities for a bargain.

It has also been stated

Catawiki has long ceased to be a free thing

This is nonsense.

The basis of Catawiki is still the catalog for me. There I can, partly due to the efforts of many collectors, manage my collection in a great way. If there are no items on it, I will enter them. If I can supplement or improve them, I will. And many thousands of collectors do that with me. That costs me nothing more than the time I put into it and that is entirely for my own pleasure and for my own interest. There will be shopkeepers who also import items, but you can leave the fun out of that.

Catawiki, we are all building it up, but we must be grateful that there were people who made the land available.

@steensnoeper

NIEMAND BETAALD DAARVOOR RENE ... In hoeveel verschillende talen moet ik dat zeggen voor je dat begrijpt ????

In bijna allen Landen waar Ebay zit betaal je gewoon een deel vooraf of je nu verkoopt of niet, en een deel achteraf als je Item verkocht is.

als ik een Boek voor 50€ bij Ebay in Bijv Duitsland  in de verkoop doe niet in de Veiling! maar  met gelijk Kopen voor bijv 10 Dagen kost mij dat 5€ of het Verkocht in die 10 dagen of niet!! (wordt netjes elke Maand afgeboekt)

 Als het Verkocht wordt betaal ik ook nog eens Commissie

En dat zijn velen gebruikers die dat gewoon betalen wereldwijd............ elke dag

@steensnoeper

NOBODY PAID FOR THAT RENE... In how many different languages do I have to say that for you to understand ????

In almost all countries where Ebay is located, you simply pay a part in advance whether you sell or not, and a part afterwards when your Item is sold.

if I sell a Book for 50€ at Ebay in Germany eg not in the Auction! but with Buying right away for eg 10 Days it costs me 5€ whether it Sold in those 10 days or not!! (is neatly debited every Month)

If it is Sold, I also pay Commission

And that's many users who just pay that worldwide............ every day

There's something in that. At Bol you pay 25% in sales costs, which are usury commissions. I admit that Cata is a nice platform for the small sellers like me, especially now that no commission has to be paid up to 75. Do a good search on the internet.

For example at the French Amazon. Found some gems today.

@ Ted

And you're trying to make your your problem a problem for Catawiki.

Euu Ted ... my problem ??

You think this is " my " problem?

If I throw a party tomorrow for everyone on Catawiki who thinks the same way as I do, then I will not be able to rent the sports palace in Antwerp. So I'm just going to leave it that way.

Everyone thinks it, and I say it :)

My problem ?? What an underestimate.

Don't want to offend anyone, I am just an enthusiast / hobby "seller", but do think that many sellers (who are against a trader / bread seller) may drop out with the new system. In my view, I still see CW as a site where you can find all comics and where you can import items yourself and, above all, sell them. Still feel at home at CW; have had many nice contacts and still. I don't have any comics that I want to sell above that magical limit of 75, - €, so I won't be bothered by the new commission system. But the sun rises for nothing. Hope everyone still gets what they want.

Catawiki, we bouwen het met zijn allen op, maar we moeten wel dankbaar zijn dat er mensen zijn geweest die de grond beschikbaar hebben gesteld.

Prachtig gezegd Ted.

Ook ik heb mijn mening gegeven over de nieuwe beleidsbeslissingen, dat is een ieders recht, maar de uiteindelijke beslissing ligt bij de beheerders van de site.

Het is heel simpel: Take it or leave it.

Catawiki, we are all building it together, but we should be grateful that there have been people who have made the land available.

Beautifully said Ted.

I too have expressed my opinion on the new policy decisions, that is everyone's right, but the final decision rests with the administrators of the site.

It's very simple: Take it or leave it.

@ baronselderie-5

En dan weet je ook hoe het afgelopen is met de strips op ebay.be en ebay.nl ?

5 jaar geleden een overspoeling van stripaanbod EN kopers.
En .. vandaag ... gho jah een woestijn waar ik hoop dat je niet te veel honger en dorst hebt. 

Je vergelijkt trouwens ook appelen met peren.

Op ebay kan je bij een veiling een start prijs zetten.
 

En ook ik heb NOOIT gezegd dat ik geen commissie wil betalen.
Alleen ik (net zoals bijna iedereen hier) ga geen 10% vooraf betalen.

 

@ baroncelerie-5

And then you also know what happened to the comics on ebay.be and ebay.nl?

5 years ago a flood of comics AND buyers.
And .. today ... gho jah a desert where I hope you are not too hungry and thirsty.

You are also comparing apples to oranges.

On ebay you can set a starting price at an auction.

And also I NEVER said I don't want to pay commission.
Only I (like almost everyone here) will not pay 10% upfront.

@baronselderie-5

Ik heb voor de duidelijkheid de verkoopkosten voor boeken en strips bij Ebay opgezocht en hieronder ingekopieerd. Het zijn de prijzen voor particulieren met aanbiedingen tegen een vaste prijs.

Zoals is te zien betaalt men voor het plaatsen van een album op Ebay € 0,15 of € 0,10 en geen verkoopcommissie als het item niet verkocht is.

Catawiki rekent voor items onder de € 75 weliswaar geen plaatsingskosten maar bij  items boven € 74,99 worden wel erg hoge kosten vooraf berekend.

Zowel Catawiki als Ebay hebben nu een plaatsingskostenmodel maar zijn duidelijk van elkaar verschillend in hoogte en berekeningsmethode.

Ebay berekent geen verkoopcommissie als een album niet verkocht is terwijl Catawiki al vooraf commissie berekent over de verkoopprijs van een item dat nog niet eens is verkocht. Met name dit laatste wordt door velen als absurd en onredelijk beschouwd. Men is weldegelijk bereid commissie te betalen, maar dan wel achteraf als een album verkocht is. 

Ik zou ermee kunnen leven als Catawiki het Ebay-model zou hanteren.

Maar hoe gunstig het plaatsen van strips op Ebay ook lijkt....het aanbod en de verkoop daar is belabberd, mede door de kosten die in rekening worden gebracht. Daar heeft Steensnoeper toch een sterk punt. Het is dat items goedkoper dan € 75 op Catawiki gratis verkocht kunnen worden..anders zou het ook hier erg stil worden met het aanbod en de verkopen. 

Kosten op Ebay voor aanbiedingen met een vaste prijs

Plaatsingskosten voor aanbiedingen met een vaste prijs

Verkoopvorm Vaste prijs (zonder winkel) 

Mediarubrieken* Alle andere rubrieken 

EUR 0,15               EUR 0,35

Verkoopvorm Vaste prijs met Basiswinkel

Mediarubrieken* Alle andere rubrieken  

EUR 0,10               EUR 0,15

* Mediarubrieken zijn: rubriek "Muziek en -instrumenten" (behalve: Muziekinstrumenten, Concert- en festivalkaartjes, Studio en live-apparatuur); rubriek "Games en consoles" en ook de rubrieken "Film en DVD" en "Boeken en strips".

Verkoopcommissie voor aanbiedingen met vaste prijs

Verkoopprijs                  Verkoopcommissie vanaf 8 juni (2011)

Object niet verkocht        Geen verkoopcommissie           

 EUR 1,00 en hoger                     8% 

@baroncelerie- 5

For clarity, I looked up the selling costs for books and comics on Ebay and copied them below. They are the prices for individuals with offers at a fixed price.

As can be seen, placing an album on Ebay pays € 0.15 or € 0.10 and no sales commission if the item is not sold.

Although Catawiki does not charge any placement costs for items under € 75, very high costs are charged in advance for items above € 74.99.

Both Catawiki and Ebay now have a placement cost model, but are clearly different from each other in height and calculation method.

Ebay does not charge a sales commission if an album has not been sold, while Catawiki already calculates a commission in advance on the sales price of an item that has not even been sold yet. The latter in particular is considered by many to be absurd and unreasonable. They are indeed willing to pay a commission, but then afterwards when an album has been sold.

I could live with it if Catawiki used the Ebay model.

But as beneficial as placing comics on Ebay may seem....the supply and sales there are lousy, partly due to the costs that are charged. Steensnoeper has a strong point there. It is that items cheaper than € 75 can be sold for free on Catawiki. Otherwise it would also be very quiet here with the supply and sales.

Fees on Ebay for Fixed Price Listings

Placement Fees for Fixed Price Listings

Sales form Fixed price (without shop)

Media sections* All other sections

EUR 0.15 EUR 0.35

Sales form Fixed price with Basic Shop

Media sections* All other sections

EUR 0.10 EUR 0.15

* Media sections are: "Music and Instruments" section (except: Musical Instruments, Concert and Festival Tickets, Studio and Live Equipment); section "Games and consoles" and also the sections "Movies and DVD" and "Books and comics".

Sales commission for fixed price offers

Sales price Sales commission from June 8 (2011)

Property not sold No sales commission

 EUR 1.00 and above 8% 

@Skroets

Ben het helemaal met je eens.Dat steensnoeper zijn eigen site maar ineenknutseld dan zijn we er vanaf.

groetjes Suske

@Skroets

I totally agree with you. Dat stone snooker just put together his own site then we're done with it.

greetings Suske

@suske

Criticism is okay as long as it is constructive criticism.

@ Skroets

Criticism is okay as long as it is constructive criticism.

All the criticism I have given is constructive. And otherwise you will not read properly.

Even more, I see on this forum a huge amount of constructive criticism, suggestions, questions etc from a lot of other users ..

Only almost nothing happens

Well that means carrying water to the sea. Make the effort for nothing.

@Abbink

I'm writing International sites just 8 books selling price 5 € each with one! Photo and no extras per Sofort Kauf for 10 Days added to Ebay.de

I lost that 3.60 whether they are sold or not they are sold within those 10 days, 5.60 I add an extra photo on the backside for another 1 €

if you put them at Cata they will remain until they are sold at ebay they are gone after 10 days you have to again 3, Pay 60 or you start a professional shop then they stay longer but that is only rewarding with a lot of Sales

Mvrg Baron

After a weekend of the comic fair in Tiel, I read a lot about this topic.

My conclusion:

- Catawiki gives every collector / dealer the opportunity to to sell if the item can be offered under 75 euros.

So why not for free? And with so much ease.

- This on the basis of a very large catalog that has been built up by volunteers.

- Everything above 75 euros, Catawiki wants to see a reimbursement of placement costs 7% ex VAT .

Everyone can have their own opinion about this, but that can be done better and in a friendly manner or with good tips for improvement.

- The Gold Shop offers the possibility to refund the subscription costs. in placement credit, but that is by far not enough for me.

And the advantages of mentioning your address and opening hours no longer have any function for me, if I would ever move into a regular store again I will certainly take it away.

- In addition, everyone can bring his or her offer above 75 euros per item to the auction of Catawiki where more and more different things can be offered. You then pay 12.5% ex VAT for this. With guaranteed sales.

- So I will keep putting my more expensive items up for auction.

- The quality of the auction has to do with the fact that descriptions are often too short or bad. pictures or beginners among them. The auctioneers at Catawiki do insist on delivering as good as possible and, as far as I am concerned, they should be even stricter in selecting the offer. Beginners should especially be advised to give a fair statement and provide clear photos and correct descriptions.

Unfortunately, I no longer have the time and desire to read all 300 lots every week, but I always did until the end of 2012.

Maybe after the take a Gold Shop in the summer, for now I'm just going to replenish the auction.

I am one of the first to respond to the new policy, furious, bitten in my hole and most of all disappointed ..

First of all, Catawiki is owned by the founders of this site, from your input asks and asks money is it also a bit 'our' site, participation and follow-up is then a matter of good sense and respect.

All catawikkers spend hours and days to make the site grow with beautiful, cheap and expensive items, something for everyone! Dutch, Belgians, French, Germans ... even sold to Russians and received information from a Japanese..had and have an eBay feeling about it, in the pleasant sense of the word. It was therefore with an ease and peace of mind that I added new items to the site, especially with the stamps .. because the comics site seems quite complete. The stamps, on the other hand, still have huge holes, from 0.01 euros of stuff to 1000 euros of stuff .. I also have that potential of stamps in stock and I would have liked to have placed them on Catawiki .. But .. if I make the effort to get the 1000 euros to place a stamp, do I then have to pay another 100 euros to 'be allowed' to sell it? That's a bridge too far .. so I still make an effort, but unfortunately for the -75 stuff.

I have been angry, frustrated, swearing and wanting to put catawiki in a place where the sun does not shine, but ... building a store with so much stuff takes time and closes the door .. well then she is closed hey .. so not and go on.

I already had a few sales from +300 and +400 stamps, selected by the diligent collector from items of 0.01 and 0.02 euros. Total amount of 7 to 9 euros .. So it takes you hours and hours to prepare that order (and you have hours and hours also spend to enter them .. But .. beware of the problémes! I also want to make the little collector, Jan of 11 years old or Grandma of 88 years old, happy with this sorting lot. You do this with pleasure because your next customer could be one with 1 item of 350 euros ... I do not want to ban the 75euro as a limit, after all it is also a lot of money, but the 'feeling' of having a lucky deal from an expensive sale gives you a boost.

I am very happy that I no longer have to pay commission on the much work of a 7 euro sale, I was also not happy with commission on the sale of 350 euros :) .. in the at the beginning, I also guilty of an unjustified cancellation, mea culpa! But as the shop starts to run, you no longer do that because you cannot afford an 'exclusion'. So paying a decent commission, which I ultimately had no problems with. I also had the freedom to sell some of the items separately for pick-up and then take them off the site without breaking any pots… all benefits for sellers and incentives to continue farming. It is a matter of give and take ...

Anyway, it is what it is, have my doubts like many others but as said before, it is not my site. Keep in mind that a good idea will be copied now or later, if people feel good with the original they will stay, otherwise you will lose them.

Thank you for what Catawiki is, hours of fun, convenience and a dream for collectors. Maybe not put the comics too much in the foreground, the discussion here is mainly one of comics. Other collection areas also have expensive items that may suffer a lot more. Comics have a wide margin in the selling price, from bad to new condition, stamps do not have much space, it must be MNH, period. The prices are therefore very close to each other and the profit margins are very small, the commission is harmful and disproportionate to the profit. The same stamp is for sale 1000 times on all kinds of sites, not with comics, very localized, Belgium and the Netherlands and the story is (almost) over. Stamps, coins are sought after and offered for sale worldwide. Maybe just try to make an arrangement there. You don't lure big collectors with -75 euros stuff, they have to find expensive and rare series.

mvg, Carl

I feel astonished when I see René write that so far there is great satisfaction with the outcome of the policy changes.

How can you be satisfied when, in addition to the intended innovation, so much There is discontent and misunderstanding among sellers and collectors alike?

It cannot and will not have to be the intention to please everyone with every choice. It is good that the choices are made autonomously by Rene and a team. Catawiki has the look and feel of a solid company and is firmly established in the world. A firm leadership is just part of that. In its relatively short existence, it has become an institution that we all feel comfortable with.

I hope that in the not too distant future there will be an evaluation of what is happening. The question whether it can be done differently has already been asked and answered in the affirmative. I also have ideas for that myself.

Especially when it comes to collecting the owed commission in an efficient way without losing time and energy with regard to claiming sellers. (Where, if it is really true that everything was lifted on a large scale, I have my judgments about it).

In my opinion, much if not everything can be overcome by having the payment traffic through Catawiki run, just as it is now with the auctions and daily offers. Any ambiguity about who paid and who didn't pay will then be eliminated, and the commission can be settled immediately.