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April 01, 2013 22:38

@revandorst,

That is indeed not allowed. In our regulations for selling in Catawiki shops it says at point 4:

Items offered must actually be for sale through Catawiki for the price indicated by the seller

If you offer something for a certain price, then it must be for sale unconditionally for that price. Otherwise you will also get an unfair situation because we show a comparison on condition and price for each catalog item. Otherwise, people who are looking for the item and are automatically notified of the item for sale will be "made happy with a dead sparrow".

If shops do not comply with the regulations, they risk being closed. This also applies to referring to other sites. We are going to actively check for these kinds of things

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@Rene,

The rules you have indicated rule 4: is just how you want to interpret it. Your explanation may well reflect the "spirit" of line 4, but it does not describe it that way.

After all, the sellers offer items for a certain price and those items are actually available for that price. buy, albeit in combination with other parts. In my opinion, this is not in conflict with rule 4 as it is formulated.

In your explanation you write that an item must be for sale unconditionally for that price. The term "unconditional" does not appear at all in rule 4.

The fact that sellers offer articles on the condition that they must be purchased with other articles is in my view not formally in conflict with rule 4 as it is now formulated. . Perhaps an undesirable situation for Catawiki, but then rule 4 really should be reformulated.

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April 01, 2013 23:32

@revandorst,

It says "actually for sale through Catawiki for the price indicated by the seller". With the items you are referring to, I cannot actually buy it for that price because the seller secretly attaches a condition that I also have to buy other things. That is not allowed, however you interpret it further.

By the way, never before has so much been sold in Catawiki shops as today. Apparently people are eager to buy online on a cold Easter day. And also quite a lot of items above 75 euros (especially comics, stamps and coins). So the sellers who have confidence in the new system are doing good business. The other sellers also because they no longer pay commission and now sell completely for free :-)

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April 01, 2013 23:46

The terms "Actual" and "unconditional" have different meanings. Perhaps an idea to formulate things clearly in the regulations.

For example, simply state that it is forbidden to link the sale of an article to the sale with other articles. Very clear.

PS:

I am not the one who needs to be convinced because I do not do tying, I just indicate that tying takes place on Catawiki and that this is (legally) not in conflict with rule 4 as it is now formulated. If everything is described in plain language, little or no discussion will need to arise.

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April 02, 2013 01:22

@Rene ..

With all due respect Rene..


Almost ALL strips above 75 euros have now been removed. (Except for the few who used their credit when taking a gold)

Was that the intention?

Less income for catawiki and a "PAK" less supply.

I can't imagine that was the plan.

Now you are probably waiting to "hopefully" see an increase in the supply for the auctions... but if that doesn't work either then it seems to me you have a little problem.

The whole idea was and is crazy for words actually and it was already written in the stars on day one that this would never work out.

I have a lot of comics that I could and would like to sell, but I won't go along with this story. Simply not in principle.

Whoever thought this would (could) work is seriously naive I must say.


Anyway, I hope (for catawiki) that this is not and remains the definitive system.


Just my personal opinion Rene .. (and apparently many others too)
But in the end it's your decision.

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April 02, 2013 13:57

Just to clarify...

Before April 1, there were 166 pages of 30 items ( 4980 strips ) with a value above 74.99 euros.

Today there are only 11 pages of items above 74.99.
325 comics to be correct...

So before April 1, 4980 strips above 74.99 euros and after April 1, 325 strips above 74.99 euros ...

And those 325 strips that are still there are probably (almost with 100% certainty) put there by gold shop holders (with credits included in the gold shops).

Those were just the numbers for the comics…

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April 02, 2013 14:48

If you offer something for a certain price, then it must be unconditionally for sale at that price. Otherwise you will also get an unfair situation because we show a comparison on condition and price for each catalog item. And otherwise people who look for the item and are automatically alerted to the item that has come up for sale will be "made happy with a dead sparrow".

Then I would give the assortment of comic albums under 10 ct. carefully. Because then this , and this either. (to take just two random examples)

Edit: Presumably applies to all (?) headings, because also this book is not for sale at the specified price

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April 02, 2013 15:42

Today there are only 11 pages of items above 74.99.
325 comics to be correct...

That's always more than with the other 'big' categories. I don't know how many there were, but there are now 5 coins, 6 books and 28 stamps that should fetch more than 74.99.

Let's just say porridge without currants is also porridge.

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@pegag ..

Yeah it wasn't a smart idea. What I don't understand is that anyone thought this could work.

I'm afraid Rene urgently needs to come up with a plan B ... ( Or is it already plan C in the meantime? )

A few weeks ago a comic sold for 240 euros via Catawiki.
I'll gladly pay that commission. No problem.

But "AFTER" a sale and "NEVER" before.
Will never happen, not now not today and not in 10 years.

I would still consider a few cents of placement costs per item placed for sale (expensive or cheap).

But 10% costs to be paid in advance? NEVER.

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April 02, 2013 23:54

I am a buyer of comics above € 75, I have a fairly large collection and am only looking for comics in very good condition that are quite rare.

No longer to be found, no offer. I have now bought a number of comics through another site that I think were first for sale at Catawiki. They also fetch a very good price.

Understand the sellers point of view very well. It's just a shame ...

Nick.

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April 03, 2013 13:01

@Pegag: It's that I don't collect those items or else I would have bought them for those ridiculous bargain prices! ;)

The seller must realize that when opening a shop, he has signed up to the rules and must abide by them. If he puts something up for sale for a certain price, he must also deliver that item, otherwise CataWiki can intervene.

However, I have not received a message from CataWiki (or can not remember what I actually hope) that the Shop Terms at CataWiki have been changed asking if I would agree to it and otherwise be removed. After all, this is how it is done when renewing conditions. This also applies to CataWiki as a whole, so they should really take a look at that too.

I agree, because I do not have expensive items in my shop and I am not a professional seller, but a collector.

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@steensnoeper @pegag how can you get an overview of items for sale above € 75?

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April 04, 2013 14:25

Now I always do it that way.

You go to home http://www.catawiki.nl/

Then you will see Newest items in the marketplace on the right in the middle

all items for sale »

Clicking on it will take you to Marktplaatscategorieen (AZ)

Click on eg Strips already 803.662 for sale!

Then you come here http://www.catawiki.nl/marktplaats/rubrieken/147-strips

If you click on the price there once, you will get the lowest price above.

If you click on the price again, you will see the highest price above.

Like this http://www.catawiki.nl/marktplatz/areas/147-strips?locale=nl&order=desc&page=1&sort=selling_price

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@ Fam-Strips: yes, something like that also stood by me, but when I go through the steps (or try the direct links you provided), I only see 2 sponsored ads.

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Looks like it depends on the browser I'm using.

In the latest version of Firefox (20.0), the page shows http://www.catawiki.nl/marktplatz/areas/147-strips?locale=nl&order = desc & amp; page = 1 & amp; sort = selling_price only the sponsored ads. Under the text "633,462 advertisements found" I see no further advertisements. In Internet Explorer 10.0 I do get the results on the same link.

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In the latest version of Firefox (20.0) I see on the page http://www.catawiki.nl/marktplatz/areas/147-strips?locale=nl&order=desc&page=1&sort=selling_price only the sponsored ads. Under the text "633,462 ads found" I see no further ads.

This is a known problem. One possible cause is the use of an add-blocker in Firefox

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@Hounddog

You already found it yourself I see...



@ .... all the rest!

It is very quiet on the mountain of moses at the moment.

I have a feeling that if they just keep quiet about this subject long enough everyone will get back to business.

But I highly doubt that.
Everyone watches and waits for an answer from Rene.

Hopefully they will rectify this, because ultimately catawiki is a great site.
Rene has done that (again) brilliantly ...

Respect to whom respect is due, ... "only" this time he totally missed the mark. The effect can therefore be called catastrophic.
I already saw this coming...


I personally think admitting a mistake (and making things right) will give the site another boost. Everyone is happy and everyone will therefore put their shoulders under the catawiki.

Yes I also want and will commit myself then...
If you want to cook with honest ingredients, I'm 100% with you ...


But this is not correct...

For example, there is someone with 60,000 items in his shop. If he sells 10 items every day, he pays nothing.

If, on the other hand, I have 100 booklets in my shop worth 100 euros, then I have to pay 500 euros in placement costs or something like that "IN ADVANCE".

If I sell 1 booklet of 100 euros every month, it will take 10 months before I get my money back. No profit hey .. just my money back from the placement costs. (if I take a gold shop 5 months, taking into account the free placement credits)

So I have to pay 5 to 600 euros in advance with my silly 100 booklets in my shop (10,000 euros value in shop - 4000 credits goldshop abbo) ...

And mister X with 60,000 items in his shop (perhaps for +100,000 euros sales value) does not have to pay anything.

So I'm being punished because I only have 100 booklets of 100 euros? And no 60,000 of less than 74.99 euros.

Where's the logic??

MUCH better would be ... up to 1000 euros (or any amount) sold per month is free ... above 1000 euros sales per month you pay a commission.

Anyone who sells a lot in a month (a professional) pays commission on the amount above the allowed "free" sales amount, who occasionally sells something (as a hobby) pays nothing.

Well that's my idea.


I wonder what Rene will do.










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April 04, 2013 19:19

Oh by the way Rene..

Also just ask for 1 euro (or 2 euros) if you want to place several (10) photos for an item in your shop.

If I sell a top book, I want to be able to post multiple photos. That book costs some money and a potential buyer will like to see more pictures of the object.

I therefore have no problem paying for additional photos.
Everyone chooses that for themselves. If you don't want to then just don't.

Only more photos = faster sales.

Rene do you buy a book of 1000 euros if you can only see 3 photos??


Detailed photos that is what a potential buyer wants to see, ... front and back, spine, corners, inside pages, flaws etc etc ... the more the better.

Only then can a potential buyer estimate what the book might be worth to him and whether it is what he is looking for.

And saying that you should sell the booklet at the auction because you can post several photos there is bullshit ...

You can't compare that, the auction is a lottery.
In the marketplace, on the other hand, you determine the price yourself.


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No pin in between, the above argument. Tribute! Well, the photos at the auction were sometimes taken with a 1973 Polaroid. It is incomprehensible that this is allowed. I myself received a lot from druillet for more detailed photos. My photos are with a fuji hs10 and had 10 added with detail. I have added a few more on request. Don't understand how the other shadowy photos get through the balloting.

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The supply of more expensive items and the combination offers are indeed decreasing rapidly.

The competition of the shops with the auctions is thus completely wiped out. No more target prices, so possibly higher proceeds at the auctions. Yippie for Catawiki ...

Yes René, you indicated in an earlier response that this has never been a motive for Catawiki to introduce the new commission model, but it is such a pleasant result. .

The collectors are now quite out in the cold with the impoverishment (say almost complete drying up) of the supply of the more expensive items and combination offers and the possible higher prices at the auctions.

Soon this will no longer be Catawiki for and by collectors, but "Auction House Catawiki-bay", the largest commercial venue for the sale of collectibles.

However, if Catawiki continues along this line , due to the absurdly high placement and auction costs, it will ultimately only be used as a reference site á la Wikipedia.

Catawiki team ...... keep an eye out for the major criticisms made on this forum by users is given and act accordingly. Abolish the placement costs because that is the biggest objection of many. Not responding to this will be disastrous for the future of Catawiki and I would regret that very much.

The future will tell if my prediction comes true ......

Is signed , Nostra-Abbink-Damus

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April 05, 2013 13:32

It is indeed a great site catawik

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Soon this will no longer be Catawiki for and by collectors, but "Auction House Catawiki-bay", the largest commercial venue for the sale of collectibles.

The slogan is now: "Catawiki the world's largest catalog & amp; auction house for collectors"

Have a look at the top left of the site .

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@Johan1614

Thx for drawing your attention. I hadn't even noticed. Catawiki as an auction house and as a catalog is indeed already a fact.

Perhaps the name should be changed to Catawiki-bay with the slogan "The site of guys for big percentages."

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@Steensnoeper

And mister X with 60,000 items in his shop (perhaps for +100,000 euros sales value) does not have to pay anything.

I would like to stay out of this discussion, but since there is only one seller with more than 60,000 items, I feel personally addressed - I think rightly so. Hence this response.

I also have many expensive items that I would like to sell in my shop.

The reason I don't have to pay anything is the fact that I didn't take advantage of the placement offer, which means that all expensive items have been removed from my shop.

Everyone can make their own decision on this.

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In addition, as soon as something is added for the auction, the quality is often disappointing and if you ask for better input, you will receive an angry mail from the auction master that a potential auction seller can be lost! What does Catawiki just want a clear answer and no twists! An auction site with a piece of reference work (you can't call it a catalog) And presumably without volunteers and dictated by commerce or a collection site (catalog) with a sale of shops and an auction, with the know-how of thousands of volunteers, which is pretty free for those sellers Rene would like a point of view
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