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And where is Disco, especially those of the 70's

And where is Disco, especially those of the 70's

Mostly faded into obscurity luckily ;-)

Any genre to be collected must be included. You are not going to determine in a catalog how someone should think about his collection, come on ...

@ pegag, it's not my music, but I have to agree with Morits.

Luckily I have here to the addition Disco. ;-) ;-) [and one more to be on the safe side :-)]

Oh yes, and Dutch DEFINITELY is not a genre, so it should be removed immediately. Also consider the international aspirations of CATAWIKI , whether to include all languages, or none!

The list of Allmusic seems quite complete to me, although I miss a few (not counting the song of life and the carnival cracker)

Although Dutch does not seem to be a genre, there are many people who only collect Dutch music, whatever genre it represents. I would certainly include that. It has become a gathering area…
Allmusic is good, but in some countries there are also specific genres for that country that may not catch on internationally but still exist ...

It is Dutch folk music, German folk music, etc.

Maybe something should be added where you can indicate in which language the music is. Even though a band is from Sweden, they don't have to sing in Swedish.

Celine Dion sang in French at first, later in English. If you can indicate that to a carrier, it will be more complete, but also more interesting I think.

For now I have added the following requested genres:
Disco
Swing
Americana
Bluesrock
Singer / songwriter
Hardcore
Emo
Rock 'n roll
Progesive Rock
Symphonic Rock
Psychedelic Rock
Nederbeat
Calypso
Salsa
Alternative rock
Modern composers
Spoken words
Independent / Indie

But I think it would be good to take a good look at the genre problem. I think we cannot avoid working with a main genre and subgenre. So two fields. On allmusicguide.com they have 3 levels so to see. For example Jazz & gt; Free Jazz & gt; Free Funk. That seems a bit too complex to me. Is there anyone who can make a good proposal for a division into two levels?

singer / songwriter is not a genre, so does not indicate the type of music that is made by the relevant artist ...

Likewise for indie, is a publisher only ...

How do others feel about this?

I had several requests for indie.

Would you like to:

Metal
- Death metal
- Speed metal
- Trash metal
- Heavy metal
- Metal

Rock
- Symphonic
- Hard rock
- Country rock
- Rock

Etc?

Sounds a lot better, yes. But you will have a problem with compilation CDs unless you add "mixed genre".

What should be done is if you select a genre you will not get all subs but only get the subs specifically for the chosen genre.

There are also bands that play half way, so rock and pop. Often this is seen as just pop.

@AvdP Indeed such a list.

I think it should be possible to determine the genres per track (if we have the tracks loose, such as the stories in comics and books). Then there is no problem with compilation CDs in this area and the artists can also be recorded per track.

You can already choose multiple genres if necessary.

Rene, you made me completely happy with the rock 'n roll genre. I hope it will also be possible to separate punk and new wave.

By the way, I assume that hardcore does not mean '80s American hardcore punk-rock.

I added hardcore at the (old) request of deBlouw. I will draw your attention to your question.

By hardcore I did mean the version with guitars, so indeed the one that stems from the American hardcore-punk. The current hardcore movement is less related to punk, and tends more towards metal. Metalcore is another subgenre that is fairly well represented in my collection.

Perhaps with hardcore a distinction should be made between hardcore (punk) and hardcore (house). To avoid confusion.

Now that multiple genres can be selected, it seems sensible to separate the genres pop / rock and metal / hard rock. These genres are too far apart in my opinion: Madonna can be classified as pop, but not rock. And many hard rock bands are far from metal. I would also separate Dutch / cabaret (what does French bauer have in common with Najib Amali?), Punk / new wave (current punk has nothing to do with new wave). This actually applies to all combis, dance / techno / house are also three different genres.

Furthermore: “indie” is indeed a term that is frequently used. The same goes for “emo”. In the music world, both terms are indeed delineated to a particular type of music. See also the wikipedia pages about these movements.

If the request comes from DeBlouw, I think it will be hardcore punk-rock. This is the American movement within the punk movement, so I think punk could do that. From NOFX , Pennywise to D.O.A., Agnostic Front of Gorilla Biscuits is all punk as far as I'm concerned. It would only be useful if new wave became a separate genre. In addition, you have glam rock like Bowowow, Nina Hagen, Blondie, etc. This is not punk or new wave, but it is housed there for understandable reasons.

oh and progressive rock has two spelling mistakes :-)

Do you want to take that this far?
I now also perform psychobilly under rock 'n roll. Musically you cannot compare it to Bill Haley and yet they come under the same genre.

I can see that we were reacting at the same time :-) In my opinion hardcore is really a separate movement. Then it can also be combined with a movement like emo, there are many bands that make a combination of hardcore and emo (emocore), which has little to do with real punk. Likewise the bands that make metalcore, for which you can indicate the movements hardcore and metal in a band. And with the bands that are in the hardcore punk corner you can select hardcore and punk.

You know what I find the most difficult about this, in my experience they all belong in the same “bin”, but they must then be assigned a subgenre.
Oi !, East-Coast hardcore, West-Coast hardcore, punk etc. belong to the same genre in my opinion. Emo can do that too. You need to update me on metalcore. I immediately think of SOD or Sheer Terror but could be completely wrong.

Pfff wat zijn er toch veel genre’s :-) Ik ben het met je eens dat veel subgenre’s zijn in te delen in dezelfde bak, maar ik zou dan wel echt kiezen voor de bakken punk, hardcore en metal. in de meeste platenzaken heten de bakken ook zo, of ze heten hardcore/punk en metal.

Een ander iets waar we hier tegenaan lopen is dat genrebenamingen ook met de tijd meegaan en evolueren. New-wave is heel erg gekoppeld aan een bepaald tijdvak bijvoorbeeld, R&B is niet meer wat het vroeger was en wat ik metalcore noem, is niet de metalcore uit de jaren 80 (toen keek ik nog gewoon naar sesamstraat) maar de huidige stroming metalcore, die een gelikter geluid laat horen. Ik lees op wikipedia dat deze specifieke stroming ook wel “new wave of american metal” of “Gothenburg-style” wordt genoemd, maar ik hoor beide termen eerlijk gezegd voor het eerst en zie deze bands gewoon altijd als metalcore aangekondigd worden.

Pfff there are so many genres :-) I agree with you that many subgenres can be classified in the same bin, but I would really choose the bins punk, hardcore and metal. in most record stores the bins are also called that, or they are called hardcore/punk and metal.

Another thing we run into here is that genre names also move and evolve with the times. New-wave is very much linked to a certain era, for example, R&B is not what it used to be and what I call metalcore, is not the metalcore of the 80's (then I just watched sesame street) but the current trend metalcore, which produces a slicker sound. I read on wikipedia that this particular movement is also called “new wave of american metal” or “Gothenburg-style”, but I honestly hear both terms for the first time and always see these bands being announced as metalcore.

I think that many subgenres can also be made by assigning multiple "main" genres to an album. The genre “Bluesrock” can also be made, for example, by simply linking “blues” and “rock”. The same applies to hardcore punk, metalcore, pop-punk (blink182), pop / jazz (jamie cullum), dutch pop, etc.

Yes, agree with the genre names. New-wave has turned into gothic (at least, at least the Sisters Of Mercy-like) and with hardcore you always have to check which one is meant.
The boxes I know are actually always called hardcore / punk and rockabilly / psychobilly, I often don't get much further because then you have run out of money :-)

Just very concrete now;

1. let's keep hardcore in the list of genres?
2. If so, how do we specify the genre, because with the name hardcore, many will probably expect a different genre +
3. What do we put in it. I myself seriously prefer to categorize hardcore under punk or
4. If not, what do we perform under punk / metal, what deserves (also think of scene size and number of bands) a genre of its own?
5. can new-wave be presented as a separate genre?