Comic books/Lombard collection30 messages

How do you see the difference between La collection du Lombard (FRA) (French) and La collection du Lombard (BEL) (French) ?

Nice, a quiz! I give up. Say it. (;-)

There will be someone who needs to know the answer, I think, otherwise these two wouldn't exist. I do not know. Who oh who?

I suspect Pegag ...

Let Pegag speak the redeeming word ................

Bij Chick Bill is het gemakkelijk. Het zijn SC in België en HC in Frankrijk. Het colofon vermeld Bruxelles bij de SC.

Achterkaften zijn ook verschillend.

Voor de andere weet ik het niet zo (De Sus en Wissen die ik heb zal ik eens opzoeken).

Lombard is een Belgische uitgeverij, dus is de vraag of alles wel op zijn juiste plaats staat.

Men zou eigenlijk het colofon moeten kennen.

It's easy with Chick Bill. They are SC in Belgium and HC in France. The colophon mentions Bruxelles at the SC.

Back covers are also different.

For the others I don't know (I'll look up the Sus and Wissen that I have).

Lombard is a Belgian publisher, so the question is whether everything is in its right place.

One should actually know the colophon.

Looking further. A specialist about French-language editions should actually be consulted here.

This reference:

http://www.bdcouvertes.com/collections/cl.asp

says:

[quote] La collection du Lombard est devenue mythique avec les années, par sa rareté aujourd'hui d'une part et par sa qualité d'autre part. On trouve dans cette collection quasiment tous les débuts des grandes séries de l'éditeur.
Elle a paru de 1950 à 1962 et compte 64 titles: 44 titles au dos toilé rouge, 9 albums brochés, 9 autres existants soit en broché soit en cartonné et 2 albums cartonnés papier moucheté.
Elle est aussi connue pour ses 4th plats, d'abord apples "à peau d'ours" ensuite "à damiers" à partir de 1958.

Pour les collectors, attention car les éditions belges (Lombard) different parfois des éditions françaises (Dargaud) at the 4th level.

La série continua encore un moment avec 14 titres de 1963 to 1965 mais avec une autre model, au 4th plat blanc. ekenenquote

So look at colophon (although that reference also contains errors, in their overview they sometimes indicate 'broché' while it is 'relié'. ..). If DARGAUD is mentioned it should be France, otherwise Belgium.

Example from France colophon.

Of the French-speaking S & amp; W that I have, the colophon always mentions Bruxelles. These are:

Les Martiens sont La

La Clef de Bronze : you can even find the prize for Congo in FR at the back on

They can go to BE

Le Fantome Espagnol . I see that Succo has it too, so if it is only Bruxelles, go to BE

At ' La Revolte des Gueux " the title page says next to Lombard Bruxelles also Dargaud, Paris .

I can add the colophons tomorrow if I wish. Let me know.

But as mentioned, it is also best to call a specialist.

This has been discussed before, but it may have been in the closed section of the forum.

Once upon a time there was a series of lombard (French) collection

at a certain point I ran into that this collection contains different editions. With different backs. Some even mention, as Zwendel indicates, a prize for (Belgian) Congo. These are albums especially for the Belgian market. The colophon is also different, but it is often not available. I then split the series into a BEL a FRA series and the albums we had at that time divided in good faith on the basis of the back covers.

Did I get them all right? I hope so, no complaints yet. :-) But if there is someone in the room who really knows about it, please.

I see that the FRA has many backs with the mention Congo bv 1376297

so it should go to BEL for clarity?

It's easy with Chick Bill. They are SC in Belgium and HC in France. The colophon mentions Bruxelles with the SC.

That kite goes for 4063119 , which mentions Congo on the back.

And what the Dutch Lombard Collection concerns, here you also have editions of Vanderhout & amp; Co. Young Europe distinguishes between Helmond, Lombard and Vanderhout. Shouldn't we do this with the Lombard Collection? Or am I mosquito sifting now?

That kite goes for 4063119 on the other hand, it mentions Congo on the back.

Yes it could be that the mention Congo does not mean anything.

From this album there is indeed also a SC (Belgian) . This one is from 1956 (the HC is from 1959).

As far as I know, the Belgian editions are SC and France's HC.

Of course they are all printed in Belgium, so probably should Whether or not mention of DARGAUD (distributor for France) in the colophon is decisive here.

Although, at this not.

At La Grotte Mysterieuse (FR) have been given two back covers. The second is probably that of the Belgian SC .

As mentioned, a specialist would be welcome here.

And what the Dutch Lombard Collection , here I have you also have publications of Vanderhout & amp; Co. Young Europe distinguishes between Helmond, Lombard and Vanderhout. Shouldn't we do this with the Lombard Collection? Or am I mosquito sifting now?

As far as I know there are no different editions for the Lombard Collection. Matla makes no mention of this either.

As far as I know there are no different editions for the Lombard Collection. Matla makes no mention of this either.

This can create confusion in terms of cover then. 436655 and 741939

Dit kan verwarring scheppen qua cover dan. 436655 en 741939

Ja dat zijn enkele Vanderhout albums aan het eind van de Lombard Collectie.

Sommige staan onder Vanderhout uitgaven en andere bij de Lombard Collectie.

Ik vrees dat de uitgevers er in die jaren een beetje een potje van gemaakt hebben.

Geen idee ook waarom de ene bij Lombard Collectie en andere bij Vanderhout gezet zijn.

This can create confusion in terms of cover. 436655 and 741939

Yes, those are some Vanderhout albums at the end of the Lombard Collection.

Some are under Vanderhout editions and others in the Lombard Collection.

I fear that the publishers have made a bit of a mess in those years.

No idea why some were placed at Lombard Collection and others at Vanderhout.

Gezien de tekst bij bijzonderheden van  741939 zouden ze denk ik dan als Vanderhout uitgaven moeten worden genoteerd.

Dit album is uitgegeven door Van der Hout & Co N.V. De covers die gebruikt zijn, zijn dezelfde als de Lombard uitgaven van de Lombard Collectie uit 1964. Van der Hout ging pas in 1966 strips uitgeven en er is hetzelfde jaar van uitgifte gebruikt als die in Matla catalogus wordt vermeld.

Given the text in details of 741939 , I think they should be noted as Vanderhout publications.

This album was published by Van der Hout & Co NV The covers used are the same as the Lombard editions of the Lombard Collection from 1964. Van der Hout only started publishing comics in 1966 and the same year of issue has been used as in Matla catalog is listed.

Then probably the date of this incorrect.

Herdrukken 4639203  3602505  2048291 wat voor albumreeks moeten we hier van maken ? Of bestaat ie al ? Kan em ff niet vinden 

Reprints 4639203 3602505 2048291 what kind of album series should we make of this ? Or does it already exist? Can't find em

I remember there was a box that represented the Lombard building in Brussels where all these books fit?

Edit: I now have the stamps found ... (;-)

This ?: http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/422773-luxe-speciale-box-set-de-lombard-compleet-met-13-albums-hc-2006

Original would there are 12 albums that could be put in the box (excluding the bonus album), but on the Lomard site there are now 20 complete editions.

De Thijl Uilenspiegel and the Tante Zenobie editions were not on the box, but belong on Lomard's complete list of "Collection Millesimes".

Shouldn't the album series be called "Collection Millesimes" or something like that?

Gr

Mcrad

Hey, that's a coincidence that it has just been auctioned!

Ulenspiegel and Zenobie have a different back. And the series name you mention is nowhere to be read. It seems very confusing to add those extra issues in Catawiki to the anniversary editions that come with that box.

I am strongly inclined to regard the entire bups as an ordinary reprint of the lombard series, some of which happened to be (also) released in an expensive box.

And the series name you mention is nowhere to be read. It seems very confusing to add those extra editions in Catawiki to the anniversary editions that come with that box.

This is on the Lombard site. It doesn't really matter to me personally, but the statement you give is no longer correct.

"Karl May - Standard 1st series" is also nowhere on the albums.

"Four-color series with new cover "neither.

And the box is a storage system for publications that were sold separately. So does that box have to determine the series?

I am strongly inclined to regard the entire bups as an ordinary reprint of the lombard series, of which there just happen to be some (also) in an expensive box released.

If the original releases also included the extra information pages, that doesn't seem like a problem, but I think (actually) that it doesn't.

I'm playing a little devil's advocate here, I know. But just keeping them under the same album set can also confuse it if it contains additional data. They are 'special' releases in my opinion.

Gr

McRad

What I don't know is whether the box was sold both full and empty? Is important to me as an argument. Furthermore, those albums from 2006 clearly state that it is a special anniversary release, something which in my opinion justifies a separate series. I don't think we actually ever add facsimiles to the original series they are facsimiles of

A facsimile that shows (other than the suspiciously new state) that it is a facsimile is formally no longer a facsimile :-)

Just without kidding. I just don't know enough about what is in and on these reissues to be able to judge whether a series of your own is justified. I also don't know if the albums that came in the box were also sold separately.

I suddenly get a brilliant idea.
Maybe there should be an administrator who is really 'loose' in the French comics .
Doesn't that seem like a nice plan to you?

Ik krijg opeens een briljant idee.
Mischien moet er een beheerder komen die echt 'los is' in de Franse strips.
Lijkt jullie dat geen fijn plan?

Zeker en vast, wat ook al zou kunnen is dat Catawiki dit nieuwjaarcadeautje geeft aan beheerders. Dat is zowat de Franse Matla.

Ik heb hem zeer recent aangeschaft en die Franstalige Lombard Collectie zit veel ingewikkelder in mekaar dan de Nederlandstalige. Er is maar in sommige gevallen sprake van een aparte Frankrijk of België uitgave. Het gros van de uitgaven zou dus in de Belgische reeks of in een 'Statenloze' reeks ondergebracht moeten worden. Bovendien zijn er ook diverse herdrukken geweest. Er zit zelfs een speciale editie voor Congo tussen.

Ik ga het deze weekend eens verder bekijken en laat nog iets weten.

Suddenly I get a brilliant idea.
Perhaps there should be an administrator who is really 'loose' in the French comics.
Doesn't that sound like a good plan to you?

Certainly, what could also be that Catawiki gives this New Year 's present to administrators. That's pretty much the French Matla.

I bought it very recently and the French-language Lombard Collection is much more complicated than the Dutch-language one. Only in some cases there is a separate France or Belgium edition. The bulk of the expenditure should therefore be placed in the Belgian series or in a 'stateless' series. In addition, there have also been several reprints. There is even a special edition for Congo.

I'll take a closer look this weekend and let you know.