Stamps/Hungary chess history24 messages

Dear co-administrators and readers,

In 2004 a sheet of 64 stamps was released from Hungary, showing a chessboard with the characteristic position of the Hungarian Defense in the Italian Opening. (1.e2-e4 e7-e5; 2. Pg1-f3 Pb8-c6; 3. Lf1-c4 Lf8-e7).

The background of each field shows part of the history of Hungarian chess in text form. When scanning at 1200 dpi and enlarging, it becomes clear that the field background and therefore the seal always differ.

There are therefore 64 stamps in this series, all of which differ from each other. Therefore, special attention is required with duplication reports of this series.

What does that second image do for that series ?

This is the starting position from which a game is played. Any chess lover will immediately recognize this.

The importer has indicated for each of the 64 different stamps which field it is. That is extra identification and easy to determine the position in the sheet at a glance.

I have suggested adding a third image, which shows a detail in the top right corner of the Hungarian text to make it even easier. (see 8409195).

Zelfs als leek snap ik wat het voorstelt, maar het plaatje is nutteloos voor het indentificeren van de zegel. Het is meer iets voor een achtergrondpagina. Bovendien lijkt het me zinvoller om het daadwerkelijke vel te laten zien, in plaats van een compleet andere opstelling.

Even as a layman I understand what it represents, but the picture is useless for identifying the stamp. It's more like a background page. In addition, it seems more meaningful to me to show the actual sheet , instead of a completely different setup .

The diagram is essential for identifying the seal in the sheet. When displaying square e4, it is easy to speak of square e4, instead of "the white pawn on e4", or worse, the old British method of "kings'pawn to king four". And for each stamp in the catalog it is stated where it appears in the sheet.

The fact that the image of the series has been photoshopped has already been indicated by the importer himself and in this case it is no problem to image a series of 64 (too large to fit on the scanner). I do agree with you that a diagram with the current position would be better after 3 moves. Maybe he didn't know how to get it.

But the essence of my story remains, that the administrators have to be very careful with duplication reports!

Kent niet iedere schaker dat diagram uit z'n hoofd?

Mijn oorspronkelijke opmerking over photoshop betrof het als Serie ingevoerde item 8377253. Ik zag pas in tweede instantie dat dat niet het Blok was.

(Ook de afzonderlijke zegels zijn niet losgescheurd maar digitaal afgesneden.)

Doesn't every chess player know that diagram by heart?

My original comment about Photoshop concerned the item entered as Series 8377253 . It was only in the second instance that I saw that it was not the Block.

(The individual stamps are also not torn off but digitally cut.)

I replaced my word sheet with series because you are right. The importer did NOT electronically separate all stamps from the block, but actually tore apart an entire block and scanned one by one at 1200 dpi. He was able to do that because he owned 2 sheets.

And I'd rather have an image like this series, which has been painstakingly photoshopped together, than what some do with series with the stamps half over each other.

The picture with the series is indeed photoshopped, just look at the bottom stamps, they are cut outside the perforation! (No man who mutilates his seals like that.)

Also all loose stamps are cut off (due to the perforation), not torn. There is a black frame around it that differs in color from the black background.

As for the second image, THIS might be a better solution (example e4).

Beautiful input. That took a lot of energy.

Can I help everyone with my explanation?
As an importer of the whole, I feel really taken aback, that energy that is supplied to expand the catalog is being wiped out so badly.

The Hungary edition: this is the sheet of Sept. 24. 2004 Michel 4885 # 4948. Lastdodo 5130464
Since it is not possible to make a perfect scan of 64 stamps that are graphically 100% perfectly aligned, I have given myself the freedom to find a solution with Photoshop. Partly to save time, partly to have a logical picture overview for myself of the job I was about to start.

Acting against Lastdodo 8377253 in a manner like the above I find quite rude, especially for an administrator. I do not mutilate my stamps, sheets and blocks 'Comic Pins'. In addition, I may perhaps point out that I myself have stated openly how I arrived at the dismantling and why. Don't challenge me to start a discussion of this nature. I am a proven opponent of mutilation (see previous forum discussion dismantling blocks and declaring them to be seals).

The individual stamps are all 64 in my collection, as is the sheet block. Why that one? Because you can take the sheets apart and as such they cannot be mutilated. Do you have any idea 'Comic Pins' how much time it took not to make mistakes on the individual stamp entry? Volunteer for the benefit of the collectors and to perfect the Wiki catalog that is Lastdodo.
Isn't it great that such work is being done and that these 66 publications are an enrichment for all who enjoy their stamp hobby?
Please excuse me from your personal approach, you will hinder my further commitment to
Lastdodo.

@Corrason

Beautifully done.

My compliments, looks neat.

I wish everyone would work that way.

Continue like this.

Greetings John

Comic Pins

Yes, Peter the best helmsmen are ashore. Maybe your expertise lies more with pins?

It's a great entry. Thanks Cor

Micho, a collector

Image 2 is against the rules of internet pictures, so a stamp manager may remove it.

Fazerco

This is specially done to prevent the object from being misjudged.

The objects look alike but are not. Then see are changed to doubloure etc.

With the addition of image two this is prevented. A genius idea.

Micho, a collector

Fazerco, thank you for giving your permission. What are the rules of internet pictures? Do it per P.M.

Fortunately, there are also people who appreciate the efforts of Corrason (myself included). And you probably overlooked my message when I started this thread: the 64 loose stamps are all different and there are no duplicates.

Micho and Lyonesse: Ultimately, the input will be an example of what the collaboration of three people at LastDodo can bring.

An administrator who doesn't know internet images are prohibited, oh dear.

Fazerco

Here's an example: 1577341

The internet image provides additional information about the stamp. This is common with the stamps department. So ........

Micho, a collector

N.B. No stamp manager will remove the addition.

Thanks for this Micho, then it can also be removed.

Dick

Micho and Lyonesse: Ultimately, the input will be an example of what the three-person collaboration at LastDodo can bring.

That's the right way to go. Thank you for your effort . :)

Het ageren tegen Lastdodo 8377253 op een wijze als bovengenoemd vind ik tamelijk onbeleefd en zeker voor een beheerder. Ik vermink mijn zegels, vellen en blokken niet 'Stripspeldjes'.

En dat is precies wat ik zei:

(Geen mens die z'n zegels zo verminkt.)

Dick zei namelijk:

De invoerder heeft alle zegels NIET electronisch afgezonderd uit het blok, maar daadwerkeljk een heel blok uiteen gescheurd en stuk-voor-stuk op 1200 dpi gescand. 

De afbeelding toont echter aan dat niet de losse zegels zijn ingescand, maar dat het een digitale bewerking betreft. Daar heb ik geen bezwaar tegen, alleen tegen het feit dat het zo knullig gedaan is. (En dat heeft niks te maken met de overige invoer van Corasson, waarvoor ik alle respect heb.)

Overigens zegt het Handboek bij 10. Soort: 

Indien de zegels van de serie ook los zijn uitgegeven wordt deze serie als apart item opgenomen.

Dat impliceert dat item 8377253 niet toegestaan is, omdat de zegels immers niet los zijn uitgegeven. Of wordt er iets anders mee bedoeld?

Ja , Peter de beste stuurlui staan aan de wal. Misschien ligt uw deskundigheid bij meer bij speldjes ?

Ik weet wellicht meer van speldjes, maar ik ben wel zo iemand die roept "er zit een gat in jullie boot" als de opvarenden zelf niet merken dat ze natte voeten krijgen. Als die dan terugroepen "ja, dat hoort zo", dan vind ik dat ook prima ;-P

Acting against Lastdodo 8377253 in a manner like the above I find quite rude, especially for an administrator. I do not mutilate my stamps, sheets and blocks 'Comic Pins'.

And that's exactly what I said:

(No man who mutilates his seals like that.)

Dick said:

The importer did NOT electronically separate all stamps from the block, but actually tore apart an entire block and scanned one-by-one at 1200 dpi.

The image shows, however, that not the loose stamps have been scanned, but that it is a digital processing. I have no objection to that, just the fact that it was done so clumsily. (And that has nothing to do with the rest of Corasson's imports, which I have all the respect for.)

Incidentally, it says Handbook at 10. Type :

If the stamps of the series are also issued separately, this series will be included as a separate item.

This implies that item 8377253 is not allowed , because the stamps were not issued separately. Or does it mean something else?

Yes, Peter the best helmsmen are ashore. Maybe your expertise lies more with pins?

I may know more about pins, but I am the kind of person who shouts "there is a hole in your boat" if the passengers themselves do not notice that their feet are getting wet. If they then recall "yes, that's how it should be", I think that's fine too ;-P

@fazerco

You wrote to Micho, then it can be deleted too.

Yes what are we doing here.

Have they never looked carefully.

Then you can remove thousands of those Watermark images from stamps, where do they all come from, are they all signed by someone.

Is only an aid for determining watermarks.

Greetings John.

The argument is again based on nothing.
The modern way of conducting debate, in which people often do not choose the right scale even in The Hague. Cartoon characters there are the order of the day. Make sure to observe "the manual POSTAGE STAMPS" in all directions and not if it is convenient.
And 'Comic Pin' hold back a bit. You're in someone else's nest.

Super Administrator,
Please put a point behind this.

Nice work, Corrason, that you scanned and cut out all those chess stamps! Nothing goes away from that. I don't think the 2nd image with a general view of a chessboard belongs to it, an image of the position in the block, as suggested by strip pins, seems useful to me. But if the sequence number is correct, users will probably also figure it out. You have also (very cleverly) mentioned the position in the chessboard in the details, so that will be fine.

The loose stamps come from the block, have not been issued separately, so I think a series with all loose stamps is also superfluous.

I cannot endorse your request, the moderators are there if necessary.

This discussion does not change the beautiful work of Corrason and that we can see many more of this excellent work. We are used to the emotions sometimes running high at Postzegels, but fortunately we all strive for an optimal catalog.
A lock on this discussion.