Stamps/Catawiki rules80 messages

Sinbad, I'm glad you agree :-)

@Sinbad and Morits: A clear position, thanks.

In addition to Plate Error, are there others who are very opposed to the fact that defects other than the original gum could be offered.

I am also in favor of selling stamps with defects, but it must be mentioned.

If everyone agrees, change the condition rules.
In the stamp section damaged stamps may be offered.

This is the rule now: In the Stamps section no damaged stamps may be presented. stamps are offered.

Stamps with damage are defects

In other forum posts I read that on Ebay and MP only junk is offered, which certainly does not happen or should not happen on Catawiki .

I read that catawiki is therefore the best site is better, don't you think ???

So we are going in the direction of MP and Ebay anyway.

Apparently I am the only one who does not understand anything about it ...

I also have unused stamps for 1940 with flaws more than enough and always stick them on the bottom left of the envelloppe's which I send, always nice for the buyer.

With regards to J.Wiggers

Dit lijkt een behoorlijk dilemma. Indien beschadigde zegels mogen worden aangeboden is al snel het einde zoek en zal de praktijk leren dat heel veel 'troep' CATAWIKI zal vervuilen.

Toch worden enigszins beschadigde klassieke zegels niet waardeloos gevonden en een zekere restwaarde vertegenwoordigen.

Een compromis zou kunnen zijn dat beschadigde zegels alleen aangeboden mogen worden voor een prijs hoger dan € 5,00. zodat er dan ook alleen klassieke zegels in aanmerking komen.

This seems like quite a dilemma. If damaged stamps are allowed to be offered, the end will soon be lost and practice will show that a lot of 'junk' will pollute CATAWIKI.

Nevertheless, slightly damaged classical stamps are not considered worthless and represent a certain residual value.

A compromise could be that damaged stamps may only be offered for a price higher than € 5.00. so that only classic stamps are eligible.

With comics there was apparently a need to store albums in Bad is able to offer (which I would throw in the waste paper) Obviously, this condition has no catalog value.

Stamps should therefore have a similar condition "Damaged".

I just wonder (for both comics and stamps) how much interest there is is on the buyer's side for such offers. If they only remain in the shops for eternity, it seems rather detrimental to Catawiki as a serious collectors site.

I just wonder (both comics and stamps) how much interest there is on the buyer's side for such offers. If they only remain in the shops for eternity, it seems rather harmful to Catawiki as a serious collectors site.

There are collectors who can read every edition / print of a book or the like. collect. As long as they cannot obtain a better condition, they buy a damaged copy.

Fortunately, the collector himself is responsible and we do not have to determine what someone does / does not want to have in his collection and / or for sale. offer.

Ik betwist niemand het recht om een beschadigd item te kopen, maar de vraag is hoeveel er daadwerkelijk verkocht wordt op Catawiki. Als het aanbod van onverkoopbare rommel te groot wordt is dat geen reclame voor de site.

Ik heb net even gekeken op Marktplaats Strips en daar staan op dit moment bijna 99 pagina's (à 30 items) met conditie Slechte staat. Op het totaal van 17.441 pagina's is dat niet meer dan ruim een half procent, maar voor het grootste deel zijn het geen "collectibles", maar albums en tijdschriften met een lage prijs die (naar mijn mening) de verzendkosten nog niet waard zijn.

I am not disputing anyone's right to buy a damaged item, but the question is how much is actually being sold on Catawiki. If the supply of unsaleable junk becomes too large, it is not advertising for the site.

I just checked Marktplaats Strips and there are currently almost 99 pages (of 30 items) with condition Poor condition. Of the total of 17,441 pages, that's no more than half a percent, but for the most part they aren't "collectibles," but low-priced albums and magazines that (in my opinion) aren't worth the shipping cost.

I am afraid that if you allow damaged stamps, that countless damaged stamps will be offered.

Let these stamps continue to be sold through marketplace / ebay in batches and the like, but NOT on catawiki.

Unless the advice of Boekenmagazijn is added, that an additional condition is added to the stamps.
If the choice is: 1-MNH, 2-unused, 3-canceled, 4 -damaged,

Then it may be added from me.

But if you are going to work with "it is allowed, as long as it is reported there" then I am absolutely against it!

Look at the last stamp auction: no; 2 with a lack of yield 90 euros, no 6 with a defect 36 euros, no 40 kind of defect 80 euros, no 55 with a kind of defect, yield 70 euros. So-called junk still has buyers and reasonable prices.

In fact, a plate error is also a defect, patch and patch residue too.

Unused?

A normal seller will don't put any rubbish on the site.

What about the buyers? They are really not bad.

Tenzij het advies van Boekenmagazijn wordt toegevoegd, dat er bij de postzegels een aanvullende staat komt.
Als de keuze wordt: 1-postfris, 2-ongebruikt, 3-gestempeld, 4-beschadigd,

Mee eens, beschadigde items moeten een aparte staat hebben en niet gedwongen onder een betere staat vermeld moeten staan.
 

Unless the advice of Boekenmagazijn is added, that an additional statement will be added to the stamps.
If the choice becomes: 1-MNH, 2-Unused, 3-Cancelled, 4-Damaged,

Agree, damaged items should be in a separate condition and not forced to be listed under a better condition.

But then what is damaged? Short tooth? Thin spot? Fold?

hey apparently there are still a few collectors who more or less agree with me.
Damaged is damaged how or where does not matter
Bertvaneijk summarizes it well also have a look at the last auction lot 40
Yield 80, - all stamps with defects top 5 very short-edged or broken
Lower reasonable edges but damage and thin spots etc.
Such material has a trade value of approximately 15 to 25 euros
Already had I don't pay 25, - for it
Just look at MP there you will find plenty of it.
There is only one who laughs

Mvg Jan

This discussion was also conducted with comics some time ago. There it was also not possible to sell 'bad' comics because the 'Bad' category did not exist.

Just look at some bad copies of Rikki and Amoras.

The is really not characteristic of 1 category. With Video games you can be sure that 90% of the floppy or cassette carriers are faulty and unplayable. I don't really care about my collection, as long as I know it.

Just enter 'Bad' for each heading condition and add that this is not a guarantee of any kind and that seller and buyer must make clear agreements.

But as is rightly noted: no fraud (so, for example, not illegal copies of games, CDs, films, etc.).

I just wonder (both comics and stamps) how much interest there is on the buyer's side for such offers

There are comics that I know I will never price for good condition / mint condition can or wants to pay. It is nice for me to complete the series with a bad copy at a nice price.

Maar wat is dan beschadigd? Kort tandje? Dun plekje? Vouwtje? 

Dat is inderdaad discutabel.

Er zullen ongetwijfeld verzamelaars zijn die bovenstaand allemaal als beschadigingen zien.

Als een zegel een dun plekje heeft, gooi ik hem weg.
Als er een vouw in een zegel zit, gooi ik hem ook weg.

Een kort tandje zie ik dan weer niet als beschadiging, omdat postzegels vaak met scheuren een kort tandje krijgen, en de zegel ernaast dus een langer tandje. Dit is naar mijn mening een "normaal" gebruiksspoor.

Een vouw, of dun plekje, dan is de zegel verkeerd behandeld en dus beschadigd.

Wat ik weet van collega-verzamelaars bij ons op de vereniging is dat de meesten zegels met dunne plekjes en vouwen wegdoen, en zich niet druk maken om een kort tandje, daar dit gezien wordt als "normaal gebruiksspoor door uitscheuren".

Hierop is wel een uitzondering: Zegels die gestanst (zelfklevend) zijn, die een korter tandje hebben zie ik wel als beschadiging, omdat deze dan ook verkeerd behandeld is, bij normaal gebruik blijven hier alle tandjes even lang.

But what is damaged? Short tooth? Thin spot? Crease?

That is indeed debatable.

There will undoubtedly be collectors who see all of the above as damage.

If a stamp has a thin spot, I throw it away.
If there is a crease in a seal, I also throw it away.

I don't see a short tooth as damage, because stamps with tears often get a short tooth, and the stamp next to it has a longer tooth. In my opinion, this is a "normal" trace of use.

A fold, or thin spot, then the stamp has been handled incorrectly and is therefore damaged.

What I know from fellow collectors at our association is that most of them dispose of stamps with thin spots and folds, and don't worry about a short tooth, as this is seen as "normal traces of use due to tearing".

There is an exception to this: Stamps that are punched (self-adhesive), which have a shorter tooth, I do see as damage, because they have also been treated incorrectly, with normal use, all teeth remain the same length.

So a MNH stamp of want 111 of 1852 with a value of more than 2000 euros with a small fold is thrown away? I don't believe it at all.

Bert,

It is indeed possible that those very expensive stamps are preserved with minor damage.

I do not have any stamps that are that expensive, and that of course applies to many collectors, so I dare not say that, it could very well be that they are kept, especially if people also pay a lot for them.

But in general, stamps with damage ( fold / thin spot) in principle go away. (except for such expensive ones like the ones you call 2000 euros)

I understand the discussion, but we have to stay honest.

A very large proportion of the stamp collectors on Catawiki are new or inexperienced, you have to introduce difficult rules and agreements that might be % of users are not even understood? they may not even know what thin spots or short teeth are :)

nice proposal: just like for comics, enter an extra field in "bad shape" and everyone will be happy again ... right?

(Even) I think it's a storm in a glass of water :-).

If you don't want to buy or sell damaged stamps, you just don't (you are free to do that yourself).

If Catawiki tries (because it is almost impossible to verify) to prevent the sale of false and gummed stamps, I think that the maximum in this what you get from the organization can and should expect. For the rest everyone free and everyone happy :-)

What we have to pay attention to is the large amount of dredge that will be offered with some stamps, as many as 100 sellers 80 have a normal price and 20 are absurdly expensive , but if you want to buy you have to dredge through that, that 30 or 40% of the stamps that are for sale will never be sold is a heavy pollution, this makes it unclear and unnecessarily messy, perhaps but it is a 'commercial' idea, you should only show max 10 MNH, 5 mint hinged and 10 canceled with the stamps (The cheapest 10, and the most expensive do not show, it is of course from the crazy that 100 x a stamp is offered for sale that everyone already has 1000 x at home from 1cent (fair price) to 1 euro stamped (= 100 x more expensive) .why do you offer a stamp for sale for 20 to 100x the price that 50 ask other sellers, what's the use, who make you happy .... for me it is pure pollution and it scares potential customers away .... but I am mainly here for my collection and not for sale .... it is a commodity tip in the lead :-)

See: 50 x from 1 to 5 cents and a moron who asks 2 x 1 euro for it ... why ??????

http://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/postzegels/landen-gebied/nederland/362343-koningin- juliana-type-regina? area = 8ce24c6387763ad09a056ee0e98955ec7939e720 # open

I don't think it's such a good idea Sinbad. This will smell like discrimination against the collectors. You sell, I don't, or vice versa. It is also possible that you buy a stamp of 20 cents while there are a lot of 1 centers. This in connection with multiple purchases of 1 person in combination with the postage. These are small amounts, but for a penniless state pensioner like me, that is still important. I will not offer damaged stamps anyway.

By the way, will the Pro providers not take precedence?

(Even) I think it's a storm in a glass of water :-).

If you don't want to buy or sell damaged stamps, you just don't (you are free to do that).

I also don't mind if this were allowed, as long as a condition state "damaged" is added.

Otherwise it will be damaged and fine standing together, and that is polluting.

ik ben van mening, dat je de site cq katalogus van CW niet mag gebruiken voor beschadigde zegels, dit is het visite kaartje van CW, en trekt dan ook alleen op die basis klanten aan indien de site er goed uitziet.

er staan al genoeg belabberde scans op, en dan ook nog beschadigde zegels toevoegen, dat kan echt niet

beschadigde zegels kunnen na mij weten wel verkocht worden, maar dan wel met een scan in je eigen shop plaatsen zodat het duidelijk te zien is, en ook vermeld wordt wat er aan beschadigd is.

deze verkoop kan dan ook geen nadelige gevolgen hebben voor CW

iemand in zijn eigen shop is verantwoordelijk voor wat hij verkoopt.

je zal zien dat 99 % hiervan niet van word verkocht aan echte verzamelaars, dus op voorhand kun je ze net zo goed weggooien.

of zet die rommel apart op marktplaats.

I am of the opinion that you should not use CW's site or catalog for damaged stamps, this is CW's business card, and therefore only attracts customers on that basis if the site looks good.

there are already enough lousy scans on it, and then also adding damaged stamps, that is really not possible

damaged stamps can be sold, as far as I know, but then place them in your own shop with a scan so that it is clearly visible, and it is also stated what is damaged.

this sale can therefore not have any adverse consequences for CW

someone in his own shop is responsible for what he sells.

you will see that 99% of these are not sold to real collectors, so you might as well throw them away beforehand.

or put that rubbish separately on the marketplace.

@Aartinge

you do not fully understand, you think that every quality stamp will be scanned in the catalog. This is not the case anywhere, there is one scan of the stamp in the catalog, often that of the person who has the stamp and often the best quality. The person who offers the damaged version for sale will of course do so with a photo (if necessary) in his own shop.

So the catalog is not polluted. Moreover, all stamps of the Netherlands, for example, are already in the catalog, so no photo is really overwritten by a damaged copy ...

@morits, sorry, but CW is full of it, just look per country, and scans like that are also full, and even unclear scans, I don't see anything else.