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I am new to this site. Read discussion with interest. What struck me with the Suske en Wiske comics, for example, is that a lot is sold already in the 1st edition, but it is clearly a reprint. If these are then sold for lower prices, because the buyer recognizes that it is a reprint, the average price will be negatively affected. Or am I wrong?

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Unfortunately, many people often do not see a distinction between first edition and reprint. If you spot something like that, email the provider and otherwise Rene.

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It does indeed seem correct to me to periodically, ie if there is a clearly observable trend of changing prices and not necessarily 'periodically' in the sense of time, make a catalog price adjustment (and of course not every now and then if there is one or more two sales are).
That makes the valuation part much more valuable than it is now.
After all, it can easily be established that a number of strips / series have been set at totally unrealistic prices, whereby a cat. value of 50 euros or more is mentioned, but for which a buyer can hardly be found even at 1 euro on ebay.

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Then you should buy it right away ;-)

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I already have 75 copies of the “happy bread eaters” and the entire s & amp; w Lekturama series in tenfold :-)

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Interesting discussion that escaped me. A few points from my side. It should not matter when assessing the STATE of a book whether it dates from 1850 or 2010. The SCARCITY of a book should be reflected in the price and not in the assessment of the condition. This must be uniform. I don't think the description of collector is such a crazy one, but Rene's will also work.

Also a comment with regard to Morits cum suis regarding the catalog value. The only correct catalog / commercial value of a good (eg a comic book) is the price at which a willing seller is willing to sell it to a benevolent buyer. This is the trade price = list price (possibly with a delay). A list price that, a la Morits, is an unshakable fact, is nonsense. The theory that the catatlogus value will otherwise drop to 0 is really nonsense. Perhaps they should argue this first to look into the phenomenon of price ELASTICITY. In brief; with falling prices there will be more buyers, with rising prices more sellers, until a new equilibrium is reached. Described by many scientists. Of course, a collectors site cannot determine real-time quotes, but with a shorter delay it can. Think of a month or the like. You can also have the list price changed based on supply and demand. A book that is offered by 10 people for 50% of the cat value clearly has too high a catalog value. See eg the Tintin facsimiles. In that sense, Catawiki can work as an order book on the stock exchange.

I wish the Catawiki men (m / f?) a lot of strength with their exciting project!

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July 15, 2010 14:56

@ Square, thank you. Good addition, that explanation of price elasticity.

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August 03, 2010 20:58

I saw that with the coins it went that way with the post token. and here you have another Catawiki number: 479709

Looks like you can occasionally ask what you want, only someone is crazy enough to accept it.

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If it will be here like the bargain hunters on Marktplaats then indeed a lot of prices will have to fall ………………. The value of most books still depends on their rarity! If I put a book up for sale at 200.00eu and nobody is willing to pay that price BUT you will get that price, for example at a fair, should I lower the price? ??? Don't think so!

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I use that Catalog as a starting point for Antiquarian comics in NEW CONDITION ! For example, if it says Fl. 75.00, this will now be € 75.00

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if you want to do fair business, you should use the print edition of the catalogs used. I also used to collect comics, and now I have a Chamber of Commerce number and an internet antiquarian in currency.

The stamp market is currently becoming a booming business, according to the Algemeen Dagblad. Coins and banknotes have a nostalgic value, and a lot of people in Europe are now starting to collect coins that have disappeared from circulation. The traders from the Eastern bloc and China are also heavily buying up their own cultural goods, which influences the price developments of the various currencies.

Bommel, Captain Rob, Dik Bos, Kick Wilstra. It has a collectible value, but today's youth don't like it and these comics threaten to get bogged down in the nostalgic MAX quality of active people over 50. Suske en Wiske is overtaken by Kiekeboe .. There is no more weekly magazine culture. I find the comic book trade more and more bogged down in small intellectual islands, of which almost every serious collector is only looking for limited editions with or without a signature in it. But a signature from Vandersteen or Kresse or whoever is still what a fool gives.

I think it's blunt what Baringo does. 75 guilders is 75 euros, so the strip in new condition has increased from 75 guilders to 165 guilders. With some titles that works, with other titles the 75 guilders are already overestimated.

Example: Paulus en de Eikelmannetjes Holkema and Warendorff 1973 with dust jacket. Always been an expensive expense according to the Matla. I can't possibly sell it for 25 euros in new condition. Fortunately, I was able to exchange this book for a few coins and still lost the shopping daughter.

Supply and demand determine prices. but what one has little is valued highly, and what one has much is rubbish. If you give the junk a high catalog value and include what you have little for next to nothing in the catalogs, you can most likely manipulate the market in such a way that you can very cheaply acquire the Gerrit Rothman strips from the 1930s, which you will suddenly find price rectifies to the top segment.

That happens with banknotes, also eg. strip blades may be subject to this. Catalog is an indication, no more than that. However, it is also a picture of the era, that catalog. Matla 2001 prices have changed dramatically due to the elimination of black money through the conversion of the European currency into Euro, and I can remember that comic shops also did well in the first editions sales when the Euro came in. Now the credit crunch is the main culprit that those same comic shops are going to lower their expensive items, because that's where their purchase money is.

Doris Dobbel is fun for a private individual, or for a trader who purchases it directly on behalf of. Will that booklet be here for 12,000 euros or something in Catawiki.

The 2002 Vatican coin set is said to have a print run of 65,000 sets. In 2002 you paid a daily price for it. A series of payment value 3 euros 88 cost 1400 euros at one point. In 2003 the black money ran out, and since then a series of Vatican euros in 2002 has cost 350 euros in the trade. Speculate or get rid of dirty money, who knows?

Doris Dobbel only sells when there is a demand for it. If this is not there, a Doris Dobbel will do perhaps 5 euros for the enthusiast. Demand sets a price, and subsequent supply moves the price up or down.

A Suske en Wiske is retail price 6 euros in the shop. Now a large gas station decides to temporarily offer it to customers for 3 euros. What will then appear in Catawiki? 6 or 3 euros?

In 1980 people paid 125 guilders for a silver rijksdaalder 1964. They were scarce. Redeemed en masse with the Euro. Now a 1964 rijksdaalder costs between 3 and 5 euros. That is market forces. Now this rijksdaalder is introduced by someone who uses 125 guilders on the old list price Mevius or 5 euro Krause Mishler world catalog 2009. What is the current catalog value if you omit the volume of the catalog that was used?

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August 05, 2010 19:41

If you want to make list prices then there must be sufficient supply and demand.
With the comics you have the "current" collection comics with prices up to roughly 200 Euro. You will have several potential buyers in that category. Here you can use a list price (subject to a margin).
Once you go above that, the number of buyers drops drastically. Only those who really want to go there for their collection. For example, I am not going to buy a strip for 300 Euro although the "catalog value" is 1000 Euro if I do not absolutely want it.
You can then sell a strip of more than 500 Euro for 500 Euro if you are unlucky or 2000 Euro if two madmen (aka collectors) are going to bid on it.

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Now a rijksdaalder 1964 costs between 3 and 5 euros.

Well, certainly not 3 Euro, because the melting value is above 4 Euro. For the years 1963 and 1964, prices were indeed very high. These years are relatively scarcer, but these silver coins were so massively in socks that the "rare" years are also more than enough to cover the collectors market. The period when the rijksdaalders were so expensive was during the speculation in silver of the Hunt brothers and the inauguration of Beatrix when many collectors completed their Juliana collection.

The current prices of the normal years of silver guilders and rijksdaalders are not that bad at all and are 2-3 times higher than a few years ago. Prices are hardly determined by the collectors' market, but by the silver market. The same also applies to many gold coins. My idea is therefore to introduce a list price for these types of coins in the future that is related to the gold or silver price. (price + premium that can differ per currency). This only applies to coins whose price is close to the metal value.

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You have a 15 gram coin with an S720 grade.
S925 and higher is a great idea to link the price to the silver content in it.
A price of 3 euros is a heavily rotated copy. Krause Mishler notes the 1964 in proof $ 15, the coin almanac and Mevius are priced higher than that.

The question remains whether you should not state the year of issue with the catalog used during import.

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A price of 3 euros is a heavily rotated copy.

But a heavily rotated copy really has the same melting price as a beautiful one - a silver rijksdaalder just always does at least 4 Euro at this moment, no matter how damaged ... (And those are just bid prices for which you can bring them in any quantity. …)

My intention is to record the amount of gold and silver (on a pure basis) per currency and to review the gold price on a daily basis, for example. Sellers can then offer coins for a surcharge on the gold price, so they can offer sharply without having to worry about fluctuations in the metal price.

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Look for the right course here
http://www.schone.nl/koersen.php

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A catalog is a snapshot. Prices do indeed fluctuate with the passage of time and the old (Dutch) comic books are already falling in price due to a decreasing number of collectors. I personally never see Spike and Suzy overtaking Kiekeboe. The series is too young for that and due to the new editions of S and W there is no end to the collectors of that series for the time being. The catalog value of a strip in the sale should indeed be adjusted during a promotion. But it is not practical to do this with any short-term promotion where a limited number of comics are offered for sale.

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Baringo, 75 euros is not converted to 75 guilders, too, you have to take into account that this would mean that that strip is suddenly worth 160 guilders in guilders, so I would never buy that, then you have to charge trug and it will be 35 euros in euros or something. Nice and honest.

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I mean if I used to earn 75 guilders, it is now also 35 euros and not 75 euros would be a doubling, it was true. But that is what all retailers do, convert prices from guilders to euros. In guilders I had 2400 guilders now 1100 euros and not 2400 euros and 1100 euros is converted even less as 2400 guilders.

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23451 was new condition 150, adjusted 1 day after a catawiki auction to 450

http: // auction .catawiki.nl / lots / 4127-jerom-railway-tunnel-rotterdam-linen-hc-1st-edition-1990

Sold at another auction in 2013 for 195 http://www.bobbedoes.nl/AuctionItemDetail.aspx?iid=2448d82e3-88eff08-448d82e3-88ef -976f-542410597f08 # .UtHtOtLuJOI

do you have to take an average of this again?

The 450 new condition does not seem very realistic to me.

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Can an administrator adjust the catalog prices of 63771 bvd

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I would like to discuss the relationship between the catalog and sales in more detail. I submit a lot that is on the catalog sky high and it is nevertheless refused even though the quality is good. Then the catalog is simply not correct or at least the so-called experts themselves do not use their own catalog .... very strange. Idd then put down a score instead of a list price ..... you do not have to create a lot if it is apparently unsaleable and that is also a lot less worry for the men and women at the buttons because the assessment itself is good to make. I don't like to work for free, of course.

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@jawatdan

The auction experts have NOTHING to do with list prices on the collectors platform. The prices obtained at an auction are real daily prices and the experts take this into account.
List prices are indicative prices over a longer term and are therefore certainly not a guideline for auctions.

It is and remains a shame that, despite all the forum posts about this, it is not yet clear to everyone that our Collectors platform has nothing to do with the auctions.

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