Stamps/first day envelope MNH?38 messages

Rein

this has nothing to do with system errors, nothing at all, nakko, nada. This is a very simple mechanism that is common in the automation world.

If type is FDC and MNH is entered: state 'unaddressed' or something similar. You can do this in this way for every category and every field and every entry. But if you don't know anything about automation, don't get involved.

@Boekenmagazijn

Ik snap niet waarom iedereen ze hardnekkig FDC blijft noemen

FDC is de gangbare internationale fillatelistische naam voor zo'n ding ''First Day Cover''

FDC in de numisatiek is ''Fleur Du Coin'' ''ofwel postfris :) om de verwarring onder leken nog groter te maken :)

 

Ik heb nog niet van Rein en Sinbad gehoord hoe je zo'n ding (in wat voor staat dan ook) dan wél zou moeten kwalificeren.

Officieel heb je de kwaliteiten

1 - Blanco Enveloppe

2 - Adres met potlood uitgegomd

3 - Adres getypt

4 - Adres geschreven (Met pen)

naar volgorde van waarde van boven naar beneden voor de oudere FDC's

Na 1970 zijn FDC's die niet blanco zijn nagenoeg waardeloos en worden praktisch niet (meer) verzameld

(nu is FDC's verzamelen sowieso al op sterven na dood de post is van 500.000 abonees in 1981 na nog geen 14.000 abonees nu  gegaan)

De FDC is samen met sigarenbandjes volgensmij het hardst in verzamelaars gedaald van alle ''oude'' verzamelhobbys

 

@Book warehouse

I don't understand why everyone persists in calling them FDC

FDC is the common international philatelic name for such a thing '' F irst Day C over ''

FDC in numerical terms is '' F leur D u Coin '' or MNH :) to add to the confusion among laymen :)

I have not yet heard from Rein and Sinbad how you should qualify such a thing (in whatever condition).

Officially you have the qualities

1 - Blank Envelope

2 - Address erased in pencil

3 - Address typed

4 - Address written (With pen)

in order of value from top to bottom for the older FDCs

After 1970, FDCs that are not blank are virtually worthless and are practically no longer collected

(now FDC's collecting is almost dead anyway the post has gone from 500,000 subscribers in 1981 after less than 14,000 subscribers now)

The FDC, together with cigar bands, has fallen the hardest in collectors in my opinion of all the "old" collecting hobbies

Morits,

I understand from Arco that I have to watch my count, but what you write above is a misunderstanding. I am talking about system errors precisely because it is clear to me with years of experience in the automation world that there has been insufficient mutual understanding between the CW figures on the automation side and the future users. Two worlds that do not understand each other and saddle each other with something unworkable - sorry Arco - and where the criticism I deliver only leads to foaming mouths etc.

If both sides are willing to consult directly what to change for the better. Hopefully my new column in the Monthly magazine for Philately proves this, with which the NVPH can handle it clearly and gratefully.

You have to stop at a red traffic light and you can continue at a green one. For the time being, I also see the agreement that was made earlier about the statements of first-day envelopes. Changing this is not a priority for the time being.

again: the fields are as they are now, that will not change, but in the case of FDC you have to enter the value for a blank envelope at 'MNH'. That is very easy and has nothing to do with what such a blank envelope of an FDC is called.

The information 'kind = FDC' and 'MNH = are then stored in the database. filled in ', the programmer can turn them into' blank envelopes' in lists or whatever. All very basic. I could do it like this, were it not that I have no experience with Java, only with Cobol and Easytrieve.

You could even make some kind of interactive screen, where you indicate in advance that you enter an FDC and that the screen is sent out in which the field is called 'blank envelope' instead of 'MNH'. But yes, those are the icing on the cake ...

HI5!

Fortran with Datatrieve and the golden old PDP 11's - those were the days :)

You're absolutely right, Morits, but we're not going to put any time into it for now. What I am going to do is replace the term FDC for the Netherlands by First Day Envelope (thanks, Peter!), Because almost all users will understand what that is. And that is an objective for the section Stamps 2.0.

You don't hear sleven anymore, sleven had to give his car a 10,000 turn, then to the hairdresser and do some shopping and now behind his lap-top. stamps hence my question.

MNH FDC is therefore not addressed with canceled stamps.

thanks for the responses.

O Sleven, so you are back, yes I actually gave you the only real answer to your question, thank you for your satisfaction, let the rest talk, they have not even seen your question, I believe, none of it there will come a time when things get better here, and that is when everyone here happens to be on holiday at the same time, what a peace that will give, and all that because of an envelope with a stamp, and because it is an English abbreviation.

ARCO, Do what you want with it, but first day envelope is a word from grandfather's time FDC is the common term nowadays something like automobile - car: revolving blade - helicopter: bicycle - bicycle: forage - food. Rename FDC after first day envelope will creating more confusion than solving it and makes something that is already dusty even more musty :) Ps just look at our CW auction, our forum, marketplace and external stamp forums everywhere is talked about FDCs that word is nowadays the standard the term used

I know, Sinbad, I know. And you can still search for it, so nothing will change for you.

overal wordt gesproken over FDC's dat woord is heden ten dage de norm de gebruikte term

PostNL wordt door échte verzamelaars ongetwijfeld ook niet serieus genomen, maar toch: eerstedagenvelop of FDC? ;-)

Mijn persoonlijke voorkeur komt misschien voort uit de korte periode dat ik in mijn jeugd postzegels verzamelde. Hoe het nu genoemd wordt maakt me verder ook niet uit, maar het is natuurlijk wel vreemd dat je met een zoekopdracht op die "ouderwetse" term niet automatisch uitkomt bij FDC.

(Net zoals je als volslagen leek nog steeds niet het land "Helvetia" kunt vinden in deze catalogus. Maar ik wil niet teveel in herhaling vallen.)

everywhere people talk about FDCs that word is the standard nowadays the term used

PostNL is undoubtedly not taken seriously by real collectors, but still: first day envelope or FDC ? ;-)

My personal preference may stem from the short time I collected stamps in my youth. I don't care what it is called now, but it is of course strange that a search for that "old-fashioned" term does not automatically lead you to FDC .

(Just as a complete layman still can't find the country "Helvetia" in this catalog. But I don't want to repeat myself too much.)

To my surprise, you turn out to be right. Now nicely restored for the countries you once mentioned and for all other countries on the Stamps homepage.

Edit: And - don't laugh! - I also just found out that no collection area is found when you search for 'First Day Cover' ...