LastDodo site & app/Important changes for sellers165 messages

@cederman
I and others would rather see an honest answer to whether the pennies are more important than the catalog itself.

There is already a lot said about in the forum. Something has already been said about this subject.
Without a catalog no cents and without cents no catalog.

@pegag
Large shops that are indeed also on fairs and / or having a physical store I do not yet see paying for something they may (perfectly legally) not be selling through the catawikishop. And even if you do sell it through the shop, you have the problem with a large shop that you lose 10 percent of your stock value in liquidity, because it is 'stuck' in your Catawikishop stock. Not everyone will be able to cough up that.

The suggestion of Stripsmagazijn seems to meet that, but I cannot see whether there are other snags. The Catawiki team is allowed to consider this. They will have to do the same with De-Kid-Strip's comment about moving a more expensive item from the shop to the auction.

Denz schreef:
"Geen enkel persoon zal een item met een waarde van bijvoorbeeld 400 euro op Catawiki plaatsen voor 38 euro terwijl hij niet eens weet waneer en of hij het artikel ooit verkoopt."

Rene:
"Dat is natuurlijk aan iedere verkoper zelf om te beoordelen. Als een item veel wordt gezocht dan kan het zo maar eens heel snel worden verkocht als je het aanbiedt in je shop. Je ziet dat nu ook regelmatig gebeuren. Als je er geen vertrouwen in hebt, heb je ook nog de optie om het bij ons te veilen. Dat soort afwegingen kan iedere verkoper zelf maken."

Zoals je in mijn regels daarvoor had kunnen lezen had ik het over items die niet immens populair zijn, maar wel een hoge waarde vertegenwoordigen. Over het algemeen kun je stellen dat dure items niet aan de lopende band verkocht worden. Ze zijn meestal zeldzamer en met die reden duurder. Niet iets wat de gemiddelde verzamelaar dagelijks koopt. En ja, veel van die items staan in mijn zoeklijst...

Ik ben van mening dat deze beslissing bedacht is met de goede redenen, maar dat hij niet dóórdacht is. Catawiki zou een site voor en door verzamelaars moeten zijn. Door deze beslissing verschraal je het aanbod enorm en zorg je ervoor dat de, eventueel tóch, aangeboden duurdere items nog duurder zullen gaan worden. Dat is niet iets wat je voor de verzamelaar doet, dat doe je enkel om financiële redenen.

De verzamelaar wordt de dupe omdat de shop minder producten zal aanbieden. De duurdere producten zullen duurder worden en veel boeken waar een vaste verkoopprijs voor geldt zullen helemaal niet meer aangeboden worden omdat de shop er niets meer aan verdient.

Waarom geen andere zaken overwegen om de inkomsten op te vijzelen? Waarom geen advertising op je site? Of andere manieren waarop mensen hun producten kunnen promoten waarbij ze ook vooraf moeten betalen? Er kunnen toch betere manieren te vinden zijn dan dit?

Denz wrote:
"No person will list an item with a value of, say, 400 euros on Catawiki for 38 euros, not even knowing when or if they will ever sell the item."

René:
"That is of course up to each seller to judge for himself. If an item is sought after a lot, it could very well be sold very quickly if you offer it in your shop. You see that happening regularly now. If you don't trust it, you also have the option to auction it with us. Every seller can make those kinds of considerations."

As you could have read in my previous lines, I was talking about items that are not immensely popular, but do represent a high value. In general, you can say that expensive items are not sold on the assembly line. They are usually rarer and therefore more expensive. Not something the average collector buys every day. And yes, many of those items are in my wish list...

I believe that this decision has been made with good reasons, but that it has not been thought through. Catawiki should be a site for and by collectors. By making this decision you reduce the supply enormously and you ensure that the more expensive items offered will become even more expensive. That is not something you do for the collector, you only do it for financial reasons.

The collector will be the victim because the shop will offer fewer products. The more expensive products will become more expensive and many books for which a fixed sales price applies will no longer be offered at all because the shop no longer earns anything from them.

Why not consider other things to boost revenue? Why no advertising on your site? Or other ways people can promote their products that also require them to pay upfront? Surely there can be better ways than this?

Coupled with this format, it is high time to make the auction more accessible to the seller by applying a minimum selling price. This is common practice at all auctions. If the lot is not auctioned, you pay lot costs of a few euros. The current starting bid of 350 as a bottom is nowhere common. But a nice source of income for cataknippie

for the sake of spending, I am considering selling a number of items from my collection (books, vinyl), I hope through the CW auction for a yield of 1000, - but from 550, - I am somewhat satisfied. I then pay CW about € 85-150 commission. I do run the risk that the yield will remain far below that, a gamble.

if I still offer these items after 1-4 through shop sales, because I still want to get a minimum amount: € 175 placement costs, in hoping to sell it before my deadline 08/31, which may be possible through the 'gold' construction: + € 180, - ... Oh, I'd better place it right now, then I 'only' lost € 270 and collector promises that I will not get a better yield anywhere.

via e-bay: € 85 maximum in costs, if sold for at least my starting minimum.

must be a 1-4 joke I think

greetings, Jan

@This-raft

No money without a catalog ...! The wise words of a collector! :)

You Shall Not Sell Without Catawiki !!

@This-Raft

Discussie is altijd goed, dan komt er alleen maar meer helderheid.

Je zegt dat je in je voorbeeld tevreden bent met € 550, dan zijn de toekomstige plaatsingkosten daar 11,495% van = € 65,73 (Incl. BTW).

Plaats je het met een verkoopprijs van € 1000, betaal je € 114,95 (incl. BTW)

Of mis ik iets in mijn berekening?

en collectionneur belooft dat ik nergens een betere opbrengst zal halen.

Geloof niet dat ik dit ergens beweerd heb.

@This-Raft

Discussion is always good, then there will only be more clarity.

You say that in your example you are satisfied with € 550, then the future placement costs will be 11.495% of that = € 65.73 (Incl. VAT).

If you place it with a sales price of € 1000, you pay € 114.95 (incl. VAT)

Or am I missing something in my calculation?

and collector promises I won't get a better yield anywhere.

Don't believe I said this anywhere.

Having read all the posts, which I suppose is happening by all administrators of CW, I have to conclude that there are few advocates for the new model.

I hope that Jan's conclusion in the foregoing is correct and that it all turns out to be a good April 1 joke.

But in advance all items (except 2) above 75 euros have been removed from my shop or in price reduced.

Fortunately, I had always had prices with cents after the decimal point, so various items reduced to 74.99 euros.

Also put a combi-offer as individual items in the shop with the following comment: "The full series of 8 books are for sale separately in the shop. Ask us without obligation about the discount when buying the complete series".

I do not believe that this was the intention at all of the set-up of CW but of course I could be wrong.

I can only give the small shop / store, like myself, as advice, try under the new mo del to think creatively.

Because having to pay amounts in advance as a private individual for items that may never be sold is crazy.

Investing in a hobby is not a problem if you actually get something for it, but this is 1 big question mark.

Selling items on a collector's site that were duplicate or did not fit in the collection and also buying something to make your own collection a bit more complete is unfortunately a turned out to be utopian.

Conclusion on my part: Big money beckons and I await the announcement that CW has been sold to a foreign investment company.

Fam comics wrote:

but innovations are not always improvements, they cause unrest and uncertainty

Indeed, people don't like change, it shows. I see the same people now arguing for the commission model to be maintained, even though they were very negative about it at the time, when it was introduced.

In view of some responses, I would especially like to emphasize that this change is certainly not intended to make more money from the Catawiki shops: the vast majority of the turnover traded in shops concerns items with a sales value below 75 euros and we earn there. nothing more to it now. If this were the reason for this change, we would be very stupid.

The administrative hassle around collecting a commission afterwards, after sales, has become an amount of work that should not be underestimated, which we would like to get rid of. But I understand that the motivation for these changes is not so easy to understand if you do not experience it yourself.

And to be on the safe side, I would also like to emphasize this again: nobody has to be afraid of unexpected costs. In fact, if you do nothing, you will no longer have any costs. Any items of 75 euros or more will then automatically disappear from your shop on 1 April and you will no longer pay any commission on all items under 75 euros. No commission will be charged on any of the items sold or still being sold in March. That includes expensive items that are being sold. So after the commission on sales in February, your shop will be completely free. That does not seem to me to be a negative point. And whether you still place more expensive items in your shop after March, you can choose freely.

I hope that Jan's conclusion in the foregoing is correct and that it all turns out to be a good April 1st joke.

The effective date is March 5th, why then a April 1 joke?

But in advance all items (except 2) above 75 euros from my shop

After April 1, they will be, if you have not paid any placement costs, automatically removed from your shop.

Fortunately, I always had prices with cents after the decimal point, so several items reduced to 74.99 euros

That is very good for the collectors.

Also put a combination offer as individual items in the shop with the following comment: "The full series of 8 books are for sale separately in the shop . Ask us without obligation for the discount when buying the complete series ".

Unfortunately, this is now also happening continuously. With this new system, this can now also be done without any negative consequences for Catawiki.

Selling items on a collector's site that were duplicate or did not fit in the collection and also buying something to make your own collection a bit more complete has unfortunately turned out to be a utopia.

Conclusion on my part: Big money beckons.

It has already been said that this measure does not generate money, but it does save money.

Having read all messages, which I assume is also done by the administrators of CW, I have to conclude that there are few supporters for the new model.

Until now it is mainly the shops that have responded. The proponents and those are the very many shops that do not have expensive items in the shops and the collectors, you will hardly ever hear in this type of discussion.

Maybe I misunderstood, but if a pro shop puts an expensive item in his shop on April 1 and sells it a little later in his own shop or at a fair, he will simply lose his placement costs?

@collectioneur

that 11,495% ... apparently that is a number that you don't notice .. is not a piece of cake I thought .. the profit margins on strips and stamps are even far away from that.

In all seriousness, I understand that you want to defend the strategy of your 'employer' but I do not think that with the current state of affairs you will only lose 'customers' (cents).

Referring more expensive items to the auction is only for the benefit of Catawiki, if the seller does not reach the desired amount .. it will be catawiki worst, the cents have been received.

Constant is the final conclusion the big money gain.

I am going to sleep over it I think, and tomorrow probably remove all expensive stuff and post it on other sites, with a lot of displeasure, I readily admit, I want to pay commission, but no offer costs

If I have come across as rude to you I would like to apologize for that, but in the heat of the consternation the urge for self-equality wells up . :)

Do people also get a message about the items that were removed from the shops on April 1?

Not everyone knows everything they have in their shop by heart, of course

You understood that right

@ collectionneur: het gaat om 9 kavels/items waar ik bij 5 kavels (in shop) een vaste prijs zou opvoeren (flink) boven de € 75,- drempel, vandaar het verschil in berekening, ik ging uit van hetzelfde percentage. Mijn kwinkslag naar jou, met alle respect overigens, vanwege de uitspraak:

of via een ander verkoopkanaal een lagere opbrengst accepteren van waarschijnlijk meer dan 25%.

Wat ik zeker niet wil is de kwaliteit van CW en medewerkers ter discussie stellen, maar ik denk wel dat dit een te grote stap ineens is, en dat 'kijken bij de buren' naar voorwaarden en wat dat betekend voor aanbieders belangrijk is.

groet, Jan

@ collector: it concerns 9 lots/items where I would enter a fixed price (considerably) above the € 75 threshold for 5 lots (in shop), hence the difference in calculation, I assumed the same percentage. My quip to you, with all due respect, by the way, because of the statement:

or through another sales channel accept a lower yield of probably more than 25%.

What I certainly do not want is to question the quality of CW and employees, but I do think that this is too big a step all of a sudden, and that 'looking at the neighbours' for conditions and what that means for providers is important.

regards, Jan

'what that means t'

Misschien heb ik het verkeerd begrepen maar als een pro shop een duur item op 1 april in zijn shop zet en het even later in eigen winkel of op een beurs verkoopt  is hij zijn plaatsingskosten gewoon kwijt?

Dat klopt maar dat geldt ook voor vaste kosten die je kwijt bent als je op een beurs gaat staan (standhuur) of een winkel hebt (huur van het pand). Die krijg je ook niet terug als je iets op Catawiki verkoopt. Veel mensen vergeten gemakshalve dat als ze met 1.000 euro aan spullen op een beurs gaan staan, ze al snel meer dan 9,5% kosten kwijt zijn aan standhuur, reiskosten, eten etc. Nog los van de tijd die het kost.

Maybe I misunderstood, but if a pro shop puts an expensive item in his shop on April 1 and sells it a little later in his own shop or at a fair, he simply loses his placement costs?

That is true, but that also applies to fixed costs that you have to pay when you go to a trade fair (stand rental) or own a shop (rental of the premises). You will not get it back if you sell something on Catawiki. For the sake of convenience, many people forget that if they go to a trade fair with 1,000 euros worth of stuff, they will soon lose more than 9.5% in costs for stand rental, travel costs, food, etc. Quite apart from the time it takes.

@collectioneur

Mooie antwoorden, dank daarvoor, maar toch nog even een toelichting van mijn kant.

De ingangsdatum is 5 maart, waarom dan een 1 april grap? - Wat betreft 1 april, dat is volgens mij de deadline datum voor de items boven de 75 euro.

Er is hier al over gezegd dat deze maatregel geen geld oplevert, maar wel geld bespaart. - Of het geld linksom binnenkomt of rechtsom bespaart wordt, conclusie blijft staan dat maatregelen worden uitgedacht om inkomsten te verhogen of om kosten te besparen, zodat het onder de streep er beter uit komt te zien.

Tot nu toe zijn het vooral de shops die gereageerd hebben. De voorstanders en dat zijn de zeer vele shops die geen dure items in de shops hebben staan en de verzamelaars, zul je in dit soort discussies bijna nooit horen. - Hierin moet ik u gelijk geven. De verzamelaars en de shop met goedkope items vinden dit een geweldig systeem, alleen hoop ik niet dat het aanbod van de duurdere items op CW hierdoor minder gaat worden, want dat zou erg jammer zijn.

@Rene

Ook de commissiekosten over de verkopen in de eerste dagen van maart brengen we niet in rekening, dus na de commissie over verkopen in februari is je shop dan volledig gratis.

Dit is een zeer mooie gedachte en voorstelling van zaken. Nu heb ik nog 2 items boven de 75 euro in mijn shop staan, hiervoor dien ik op voorhand 5.7475% (incl. BTW) te gaan betalen. Dit zal een bedrag worden van 56.04 euro. De afgelopen 10 maanden veel kleine bestellingen gehad en hierover commissie betaald zodra CW de faktuur stuurde. Dit bedrag was excl. februari 50.05 euro. Dus over ca. 1 jaar sta ik weer op nul en ga ik iets meer overhouden van de verkoop van de items. Bedankt hiervoor, ik ben een tevreden mens. Al hoop ik wel dat ik het komende jaar net zo bestellingen ga krijgen als de afgelopen periode. 

Alleen heb ik mijn twijfels of de aanvoer van nieuwe items in de shops boven de 75 euro niet zal afnemen, maar misschien ben ik te pessimistisch. Mocht blijken dat dit niet gaat gebeuren dan is de opzet geslaagd, maar helaas zullen we dat pas achteraf kunnen bezien, zoals zo vaak met nieuwe maatregelen.

@collectioneur

Nice answers, thanks for that, but just one more explanation from my side.

The effective date is March 5, why an April 1 joke? - As for April 1st, I think that is the deadline date for the items above 75 euros.

It has already been said that this measure does not bring money, but saves money. - Whether the money comes in from the left or is saved from the right, the conclusion remains that measures are devised to increase income or to save costs, so that the bottom line looks better.

So far it has mainly been the shops that have responded. You will hardly ever hear the proponents, which are the very many shops that do not have expensive items in the shops, and the collectors. - I must agree with you on this. The collectors and the shop with cheap items think this is a great system, but I hope that the supply of the more expensive items on CW will not decrease, because that would be a great pity.

@Rene

We also do not charge the commission costs on sales in the first days of March, so after the commission on sales in February, your shop is completely free.

This is a very nice thought and presentation. Now I still have 2 items above 75 euros in my shop, for which I have to pay 5.7475% (incl. VAT) in advance. This will be an amount of 56.04 euros. Had many small orders in the past 10 months and paid commission on this as soon as CW sent the invoice. This amount was excluding February 50.05 euros. So in about 1 year I will be back to zero and I will have a little more left over from the sale of the items. Thank you for this, I am a satisfied person. Although I do hope that next year I will receive the same orders as in the past period.

I only have my doubts whether the supply of new items in the shops above 75 euros will not decrease, but maybe I am too pessimistic. If it turns out that this is not going to happen, then the plan has been successful, but unfortunately we will only be able to see that afterwards, as is so often the case with new measures.

@ 015steef500
Maybe I have misunderstood, but if a pro shop puts an expensive item in his shop on April 1 and sells it a little later in his own shop or at a fair, he will simply lose his placement costs ?

For the sake of clarity: This will take effect on March 5. All expensive items then put up for sale will have to pay a placement fee. Until April 1, the existing expensive items can remain for free, after which they will be removed if necessary.

@cederman
that 11,495% ... apparently that is a number that you do not notice. is not a piece of cake, I thought .. the profit margins on strips and stamps are even far away from there.

In my own shop I also have the necessary expensive items, I am well aware what that percentage means to a salesperson. But also be realistic by looking at the difference in sales in the 75+ and the 75 items.

@cederman
I'm going to sleep over it I think, and tomorrow probably all remove expensive stuff and post it on other sites, with a lot of displeasure, I readily admit, I want to pay commission, but no offer costs

It is also the very purpose of this discussion to remove it from all sides to view. The shops with a lot of expensive items have a different view of this than shops that only have the cheaper items for sale.

@cederman
If I have come across as rude to you, I want to apologize but in the heat of consternation the urge for self-equality wells up. :)

I have gotten used to quite a bit by now and as long as it doesn't get personal, I have no problems with a solid discussion.

However, to be able to have a discussion not only do you need opponents of the proposal, otherwise the discussion would immediately bleed to death;)

@Skroets
Whether the money comes in counterclockwise or is saved clockwise, the conclusion remains that measures are being devised to increase revenues or to save costs, so that the bottom line looks better.

If this measure had not been taken, the commission rate would have had to be increased and / or the threshold amount on which commission must be paid would have been reduced. There is (almost) nobody waiting for that.

Never again a Doris Dice via Catawiki in a shop, which then sold for € 12,000 (Nov 2010). If you put it in the shop now, you can immediately transfer € 1379.40 and wait and see if it will be sold.

It will now go into the comic auction.

Boy, what a cheap advertisement that was, and we were so proud that something like this was offered at Catawiki.

Those were the days.

I haven't been here for a while, but I will get one bad WWW.STARTPAGINA.NL feeling of, gradually.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Startpagina.nl

History [ edit ] Foundation

Startpage.nl is 15 September 1998 started, founded by Durk Jan de Bruin and a few friends. De Bruin envisioned his father as an inexperienced internet user, who just had a internet connection to create an online link book. The concept was a great success and many volunteers helped set up daughter pages. Because de Bruin pretended to be a hobbyist who worked from an attic room, he was able to get many people to set his home page as their home page. This partly explains the enormous growth. He also often indicated that he was not interested in the money and that he did not want to sell his homepage.nl.

[ edit ] Sold

However, in April 2000 De Bruin sold startpagina.nl for probably 30 million guilders (about 13.5 million euros) to publishing group VNU . This to the dissatisfaction of a number of volunteers who participated in the project. All volunteers received 1000 guilders (about 450 euros) per person and were able to continue their page in the new collaboration with VNU. After the sale to VNU competitor, two subsidiary page administrators set up Startkabel.nl . There are now many clones of Home on the internet, almost all of which are maintained by volunteers. None of them, however, have managed to come close to the success of Startpage. Since the sale to VNU, Homepage.nl officially fell under the ilsemedia group, together with websites such as NU.nl, search engine ilse and the later acquired web-log.nl. Ilsemedia was renamed Sanoma Digital at the end of 2009 to strengthen the bond with the owner (VNU magazines was later bought by Sanoma Publishers).

I just wanted to know, and have just placed the sets in my shop: I could pay 272.50 to CW at the asking price single sale .. it is 5-3 so I will get them again soon from! Regards, Jan

End of discussion for me.

I totally agree with comics magazine. This causes an enormous impoverishment in the Catawiki range

That only shops with many expensive items participate in the discussion is not the case because I have almost no expensive items in my shop and I see the advantage for my shop in this measure

Still, I have a few doubts / concerns about this measure

1. Because most users do not follow the forum and are therefore only informed of this measure via 1 e-mail and such an e-mail is soon overlooked, I wondered whether people are still being informed which items are there will be removed from their shop on April 1st.

This is to prevent angry reactions from people who will be surprised by it in April

2. I think that most expensive items will be removed from the shops and will be sold through the auction or some other way

The offer for the auctioneer will therefore become so large that if I want to go through the auction sell the waiting time will be very long

3.If the auction is expanded even further, a collector will spend so much time viewing and following the auction that the catalog with its shops may become further disadvantaged as a result

4. If I am looking for a certain (more expensive) something for my collection, I will no longer find it in the shops and can possibly wait a long time before it will be auctioned and since you do not know what will be auctioned in the coming weeks you go look elsewhere for the item

I have some more thoughts about the possible consequences of these measures, but I will leave them hanging for a while / I will talk a little more

@Rene

I don't call traders who go to a fair with 1000 euros of stuff on a fair, I don't call them traders but hobby people. If I take my comics or the things I'm working on to a fair, this is a considerable multiple of 1000 euros, the costs incurred are far below 11.50% (you keep forgetting the VAT for those who are not liable for VAT! better than it looks), that it is more expensive in a different way, is not an argument that everyone makes their own account ..

A few months ago I asked the question if I my industry could / was allowed to start up. This would be about flippers, arcade machines, jukeboxes ... a worldwide collected item. I've passed you links to take a look at that case. That it was not heeded ... I cannot judge that, you and your team probably have other cats to flog (auctions?). However, if that had been brought into existence, this could be immediately removed because we are talking here about devices of several thousands of euros.

I think that your site will be limited to -75 euros articles and many great opportunities will disappear to include beautiful collections.

The night gives clear ideas .. if I now bring my items to kapaza or another free site, add an item number from Catawiki, the customer can take a look at Catawiki for the info and the value and then decide whether to purchase the item .. through the free site. Basically your utmost abuse of the catawiki site set up by everyone..but who cares? not?

In any case, I will continue to commit myself and seriously supplement my database -75euro, The + 75euro stuff is going away. I will never have to pay Catawiki anything, of course my thanks !! I really have a 'Zeeman' feeling about it .. :)

Wouldn't it really be better to get the income from the auctions and pay for the rest of the advertising like everyone else does? Keep your identity as a catalog for everyone else you will become an insignificant number in many other sales sites.

As a trader, we don't need Catawiki, Catawiki needs us! Maybe a bad (arrogant) statement ... but I honestly think that those people pay the biggest bills to Catawiki .. also at the auctions!

What am I doing .. is a plea here whether I am going to experience the greatest misery now because I can no longer sell my stripke or expensive stamp on CW, it is more about all the time I have spent with pleasure in completing the site, the site that is going to me now, how do you say that? 'sewing' by asking me a lot of money to 'be allowed' to place my stuff.

Anyway..trop est trop .. Too bad ...