Blikken/Wat is een blik of trommel?

When I look at a tin or a drum, I have an idea of what it is, but many others seem to have a different definition.

When I talk about a tin, I am talking about a kind of box with or without a lid where you can put something in. That box is then made of the material tin.

With drums it is almost the same definition, only they are often only with lids that are hinged to the box and have a closing mechanism. Closing mechanisms can be clasps, for example. When I think of drums I often think of lunch boxes or lunch boxes, but there are probably other types.

Musical instrument?

When I think of drums I often think of lunch boxes or lunch boxes, but there are probably other types.

yes ..

A drum is indeed also a musical instrument, but it is now about the category Blikken en Trommels. I think it is not the intention to include musical instruments. I think it is more about the material and I think that is tin.

What also concerns me is that now among the types of tins and drums there are many types that I think are neither a can nor a drum.

So again for the sake of clarity the question: What is a can and what is a drum? And what types are there?

10 objects entered and 40 messages later, you should turn that around.

What do you think is wrong there, give examples.

When I look at a tin or a drum, I have an idea of what it is, but many others seem to have a different definition.

What is a look (you are looking for the second definition)

What is a drum (you are looking for the first definition) usually a musical instrument and otherwise a cookie jar, for example made of tin or plastic.

Types of cans / drums in all shapes and sizes.

long live google!

@Uilenspiegel: Een encyclopedie is handig, maar voor alle duidelijkheid, kijk eerst maar eens naar de soorten blikken (en trommels) die er nu zijn ingevoerd bij de Verzamelrubriek Blikken en Trommels (Die overigens op de hoofdpagina alleen wordt aangegeven als Blikken(??))

Daar staan soorten bij die echt nergens op slaan! Waar slaan bijvoorbeeld de soorten AANVUL, 3 busjes of NORMAALop? Ik heb ze nu leeggemaakt, maar dat kostte me wel heel veel tijd (ik ben geen beheerder).

Het gevaar is dat mensen die rubriek zien en die kiezen, omdat dat makkelijk is. Mensen zijn vaak te snel met invoeren en als ze dan iets invoeren, vergeten ze vaak goed na te denken en kiezen ze het eerste dat ze tegenkomen wat er enigszins op lijkt. Zo wordt met een Bewaarblik en een Bewaardoos eigenlijk hetzelfde bedoeld. Ik denk dan alleen dat een doos het Belgische woord is voor blik en van die 'dozen' zijn er nog vele in de soortenlijst.

En dan nog de rubrieken die hier echt niet thuishoren, zoals bijvoorbeeld Asbak. Het gevaar hiervan is, dat men er hier al een aantal items bij heeft ingevoerd en die zijn zeker niet van blik of enig ander metaal (maar van aardewerk bijvoorbeeld).

En om nog meer onduidelijkheid te scheppen, kijk eens bij de soorten onder de letter B . Daar wordt bijna overal blik voor gezet en eigenlijk moet dat er achter. Als het niet van blik was, dan hoort het ook niet in deze rubriek thuis,dus overbodig om erbij te vermelden.

@Uilenspiegel: An encyclopaedia is useful, but just to be clear, first have a look at the types of cans (and drums) that have now been entered in the Collecting section Cans and Drums (Which, by the way, is only indicated on the main page as Cans(?? ))

There are species that really make no sense! For example, where do the types SUPPLEMENT , 3 vans or NORMAL store? I have now emptied them, but it took me a lot of time (I am not an administrator).

The danger is that people see that section and choose it because it's easy. People are often too quick to enter and when they enter something, they often forget to think carefully and choose the first thing they come across that somewhat resembles it. For example, a storage tin and a storage box actually mean the same thing. I only think that a box is the Belgian word for tin and there are still many of those 'boxes' in the species list.

And then there are the sections that really don't belong here, such as Ashtray . The danger of this is that a number of items have already been introduced here and they are certainly not made of tin or any other metal (but of earthenware, for example).

And to create even more confusion, take a look at the species under the letter B . There is a look for that almost everywhere and that should actually be behind it. If it wasn't made of tin, then it doesn't belong in this section, so it's unnecessary to mention it.

10 objects entered and 40 messages later, you should turn that around

I would like to, but a message is easier to type and takes a lot less time. Moreover, when I enter something I first want to make sure that it is not there yet. So I search very extensively through the catalog via all kinds of possible search inputs (possibilities). And if it is not there, then I want to make sure that I enter it correctly.

I also have stacks of records that I want to import, but I understand that this section is under maintenance. Especially the tracks and I will wait for that, so that I can be sure that I input it correctly. So do it in moderation.

@ DM, I looked at it and I think you are quite right that the "types" supplement, 3 vans and normally don't add much and are a bit unfortunate. Also ashtray does not seem to me in this section of cans & amp; drum catalog belong at home. Well seen.

There is not really a manager of this section, only Klaas as a sub-manager, where you can put any irregularities. You can also become an administrator for this, why sign up if these collectibles interest you?

Hereby put the deed to the word and requested. In the meantime, let's see if I can add some more tins to the catalog.

My question remains, however, what exactly should be in this section, because when I become an administrator, I also want to ensure that the correct items are placed in the correct section. In order to be able to do this, it is necessary that there is clarity about the definition of the section Cans (and Drums). I don't feel like a (never-ending) discussion like with the stamp section. Better that this is arranged in advance and the majority agrees.

Personally, I prefer to see this as a general "Boxes, tins, jars and drums" section, and that you indicate via a material field what it is made of.

Just say all items that you can store something in and that have a lid on.

Supply cans would then become an area in a general cans and box category.
The way it is now set up, for example, you create a separation between tin lunchboxes and plastic lunchboxes.
That is strange when you consider that in the future we want to turn materials into theme sections.

If you only want all items on which you can put a lid, then you do not take into account the tin pens / pencil trays or other tin boxes without a lid. For example, it keeps the e-mail signs from this section, which people also want to place in this section, while there is a separate collection area for that.

It would indeed be easier to sort by material with the new classification. Now you can only sort by brand and material. Sorting by shape and maybe content would also be useful.

As for the ashtrays, you're right. Problem is they were added in 2010. And then you had some different rules and fewer sections. And so there are still more items that have to be transferred in the various sections. But you shouldn't make a problem of that because those who can transfer are already busy enough, I fear.

Just indicate the items on the forum and then they will be added to the list, and otherwise you stick to the rules for entering. It seems to me that you know where what belongs.

If you only have all items on which you can put a lid, then you do not take into account the tin pens / pencil trays or other tin boxes without a lid.

I had thought about that.
As far as I am concerned, a container is just different from a box that you can close.
Indeed, a box with pens does not come with a pen tray.
Maybe some think that's a shame, but if you do it differently, the chip trays, ashtray and so on will also be added, and that doesn't seem like the way we should follow here. A bowl is just not a box, at least that's how I see it.

Sorting by shape and maybe content would also be useful.

It seems to me that a content field needs to be added, or the current field needs to be modified.
Now the information entered there is not clickable, and it is unclear whether it concerns the content or content measure.
Also, the content is now often part of the species name, so you have an exaggerated number of species names, for comparable looks.

I agree that form is also a requirement.

As for items in this section that do not belong there, what Fazerco says.
A legacy from the early days that we have yet to clear up.
You just don't have to indicate what needs to be removed.
We will soon be going through this section completely on what shouldn't be in it anyway, after all, it is only 936 items that are now in it.

it is unclear whether it is content or measure.

I have looked at the entire compilation section from A-Z and in general the content is meant here anyway.

That actually makes sense, because it concerns the can / container or the drum / box or whatever you want to call the storage item. The content can be in another section and as an additional photo with explanation a photo of the storage item. And of course also for this section an extra photo of storage item with content, but as an added photo and not as a main photo, unless not otherwise possible.

For suggestions that in my opinion do not belong, I have at least checked and noted them for the most part, as well as the empty sections (mostly German ??).

(mostly German ??)

Butcher drum!

Most of the items that clearly did not belong have been moved.
To be sure, I left suitcases for a while, just like the boxes that are not made of metal.

With piggy banks I tend to put them all together in their own piggy banks section, but I have also left that alone for now.

Empty areas can be removed by the administrators of that section.

The content can be in another section and as an additional photo with explanation a photo of the storage item.

That is not really an option in most cases, because foodstuffs are in principle not a collector's item, and therefore are not included in Catawiki.
An entry next to the cans themselves, so that they can be selected within the category, is very useful in my opinion.

Also consider the translations

there Trommel is transformed into Dosen while in Germany Trommel is really a Schlag instrument

Can in Büchse the word Büchse is actually only used for Sport rifle

very long ago Büchse was still used for Dose now no longer

Hello,
The above discussion is from 9 years ago, but I see that there is still no clarity about what is now called storage tin, storage box, storage tin, storage container, etc. There are also wooden and cardboard or paper items in the catalog for tins and drums.
The number of items has now risen to over 6000. It would be nice if the catalog was indeed cleaned up once.

Greetings, Conny

LastDodo, I found another rare species 8273221 which I did not know existed, nor is it known in LastDodo, if possible it should still be set to type.

Isn't it a gingerbread tin?

Hello Steef,

No, see dimensions and inscription at the bottom of the 3rd photo.

Hello,
If there are tea bags on the bottom of the tin, it is clear that it is a tea tin. Then creating a new species is not necessary.