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I had almost started adding missing variants from Illustrated Classics 18, 19, 20 and 21 when I found out that these variants are under a different series name, namely " Illustrated Classics Reclame ". I would really suggest including these Classics in the regular series of Illustrated Classics. In this way they are not found when people search for them, while really no one will spontaneously think about Illustrated Classics Advertising . There are more series with one or more promotional editions and they are simply part of the series in which they appeared (possibly supplemented with a sub-number to distinguish the versions). I'd rather not edit it myself and then see it rolled back, so hope admins agree.

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April 17, 2023 01:57
Would it still be possible to comment on this?
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April 17, 2023 07:28
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It is not very useful to want to search by series name. I am now working on American IC and see that there is just something filled in as a series name. So if you think you have everything with series A, then there are still series B that are also present and you will not find them. Just search by title...
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Maybe I misunderstand you, but I see it differently. There are 214 titles within the Classics Illustrated series and I collect the whole series (as do most CI collectors I believe). So I do nothing but select on the series and that also works fine for the Dutch editions, since the administrators (including you, I suspect) have done a good job of keeping all input tidy.

My point was not about mis-entry, but about the conscious choice to include advertising expenditure under a separate series name. That will therefore be confusing for almost all collectors. Is there anything wrong with converting them (with the appropriate sub-title) to the main series of Classics Illustrated? After all, that's what happens with other Classics series with edition variants. In the end it is just a separate edition (only without a price indication). Of course I want to do the work for it, but then we have to agree that it would help to increase findability.
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No, don't convert. I agreed that with Arco at the time after a heated discussion.
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Morits Can you also specify what the rationale for that was? It is not consistent with the convention in other series. Advertising expenses (eg with a company name in the print) are always simply listed with the series in which they belong. These Classics promotional releases were no different. I think I've made a good case for including them in the main sequence. Do you remember what argument Arco had for deviating from that? (unfortunately we can't ask him anymore)
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sorry, but that was too long ago. Result: no conversion.
That discussion was also the reason I didn't want to be an administrator for a while, so please leave it that way.
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April 17, 2023 13:39
I know all about that a discussion with Arco could be fierce and I do not want to detract from his great commitment, but if you do not remember what his argument was at the time, then we can also review it?

By the way, I now see that the instructions for filling in strips state: 16.8 ADVERTISING EXPENDITURE
Promotional releases, advertising releases, etc. are given the series name "Advertising releases ": Apparently this is applied selectively, but I must correct myself that this would be against the rules. Even then, I think the rule should not apply here, because Classics is about promoting the comic itself and not an external agency. They are simply extra printings with no price quote. It remains very illogical that they are not included in the regular series.

Anyway, I'll put it to rest and accept that this is (unfortunately) one of the many places where LastDodo makes working with string names (essential for collectors in my opinion) unnecessarily cumbersome.
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The super admins have been asked to review the classification of Classics Illustrated. Depending on the outcome, it will remain that way or there may be progressive insight to change something.
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In any case, it is not clear to me now why these are advertising expenditures
If they have to be there, some explanation for details or something like that would be nice
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Collectioneur Thank you for that feedback. I eagerly await that meeting. For what it's worth I'll make a list this week with some other suggestions for improvements (of course that's always personal, but it might help within the broader evaluation).
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Just look at the back and the text in the album
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A photo of the text in the album at photo 3 would be nice
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It's a wiki, isn't it?
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I don't have them Morits
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I'll keep that in mind when I'm in the area again
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It would be nice if the super admins would seriously consider tomdejong14's request.
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Somstiden within the transverse bongels. Net to bot oanluke!
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Problems with the keyboard? Or is that some kind of (hard) curse :)
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Raoul62 that's Frisian according to Google translate...
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Ah so.
It wasn't in the manual (just kidding).
Our West Flemish search engine didn't find it either, but it did give a good tip when searching for Somstiden binne der cross bongels. Net to bot oanluke!
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Don't translate it: some people are quick to step on their toes.
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The "Illustrated Classics Advertising" series has been merged with the " Illustrated Classics " series.
The 20 items from the advertising series are provided with the number addition "Recl."
You can easily select them by entering Recl in the second search field.
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Totally a piece of shit, I have no other word for it.
And also use number addition for which it is not intended. What a solution!
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