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Dear Catawiki catalog manager,

I am curious about the valuation you have introduced for catawiki item 6616827 , Agent-327 File One - Fair-edition-dozen minus one. This album is barely 5 days old, cost € 40 at the Stripdagen 2017 and is now in the catalog at € 100, a value increase of 250% !!. This is very unrealistic and smells like artificial price increases from traders, as they are offered for this amount in various places, sometimes with numbers of 3 at a time. people are looking for this album.

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Outside of Catawiki, this album is already traded for such amounts (sic)

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Coincidentally ran into him when I was introducing my new comics, absurd amounts out of proportion to what you get for it, normal HC album with paper cover and a picture. In this way the ratio of antique comics / new comics is also lost. I'm also curious about where this will lead in the future in the comic book world, especially given the younger generation who no longer read physical comics and the tablet and smartphone have become commonplace.

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this kind of increase in value has been like this since the start of the Comic Strip Days ... (around 1974)

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resembles the Peat Ship in the old days when it was not yet possible to reserve a pitch, scandalous scenes at the entrance to the exchange. Glad I don't have to anymore ...

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Recognize many in Zwendel, ditto last Saturday, many greedy hands of so-called 'traders' ... but also saw that the number of visitors on Saturday and Sunday was dramatic at the Stripdagen 2017 ... remember the 80s when you could walk over your head in Turfschip Breda ... think that the Stripdagen will not last long despite the sky-high entrance fees ...

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I do not participate in those 'increases in value' Morits, must remain a hobby and no obsessiveness :-)

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But I do see that Catawiki is subjectively going with this 'trend', arguing simply because it is 'already being traded' for these types of amounts ... why then a Catawiki catalog has no added value as 'traders' after all already determine the price and include it indiscriminately in the catalog? Sure Catawiki benefits from the highest possible valuations, then the lots can yield high yields at the Catawiki auctions ... checkout !.

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But I do see that Catawiki is subjectively going with this 'trend', arguing simply because it is 'already being traded' for these types of amounts ... why then a Catawiki catalog has no added value as 'traders' after all already determine the price and include it indiscriminately in the catalog? Sure Catawiki benefits from the highest possible valuations, then the lots can yield high yields at the Catawiki auctions ... checkout !.

Nonsense!

The catalog does not determine the market value of an album, the buyers and sellers do that ..

The same goes for the auctions ... The auctioneers determine if a lot has the chance to hit the minimum price and the bidders do the rest.

Quite regularly amounts are offered on lots that far exceed the Catawiki list price.

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The prices offered at auctions have an extra factor, namely the psychological effect that 2 people hold a kind of competition regardless of what the real value of an album is. Recently saw that on a lot of your own where I think, how do you get so much to offer? The auction proceeds of this series are not the actual value, but what is given at that moment because 2 people cannot control themselves;)

The traders sometimes cut their fingers. The blue circle Blake and Mortimer large format were auctioned one after the other by the same sellers a few times a month a few years ago. As a result, the price dipped below 100 euros and was a good entry point. Well below the 300 euros list price. (by the way, never paid for it in recent years)

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Think of it as with the Phone cards, Stamps, Cigar bands etc. only the very rare copies still bring their value a phone card where 1000 € was paid for 10/15 years, you will not lose 10 € anymore, so it will with Comics unfortunately go

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But I do see that Catawiki is subjectively going with this 'trend', with the argument simply because it is 'already being traded' for these kinds of amounts ... why then a Catawiki catalog has no added value if 'traders' already set the price and include it indiscriminately in the catalog? Sure Catawiki benefits from the highest possible valuations, then the lots can yield high returns at the Catawiki auctions ... checkout !.

I would not look for conspiracies behind it. There are simply no fixed prices for second-hand strips.

The prices give someone who does not know much about them some guidance, that is something you will not find anywhere else.
In the case referred to, it is about a comic that was apparently bought for speculative reasons and is therefore scarce. We will see how the price continues to evolve.

A golden rule is: never bid a lot of money on things you don't know much about;)

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Nonsense!

The catalog does not determine the market value of an album, the buyers and sellers do that ..

The same applies to the auctions ... The auctioneers determine whether a lot has the chance to hit the minimum price and the bidders will do the rest.

What do you mean nonsense, I regularly got this as an argument at comic fairs when I asked what the high price was based on, "just because it is mentioned in Catawiki ... ". Hans Matla was more objective in his valuations and did not include expenses 1 week after publication up to 2.5 times the purchase value as a valuation in his catalog. Moreover, no historical data may be known at all in the short time frame of the example that I indicated in the start of this topic.

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dream on

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Moreover, no historical data may be known at all in the short time frame of the example I indicated in the start of this topic.

The last Matla catalog is from the 20th century. We have now arrived in the digital 21 century for a while and if you have not yet realized it, it is now really a bit faster with the historical data than in Matla's time.

The bottom line is that there are collectors who pay 100 euros for the exhibition edition of Agent 327. This is not because Catawiki says it is worth 100 euros, but because these kinds of amounts are actually paid for it.

The list price is next and not leading ... And yes, we can do that much faster than Matla with its paper catalog.

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Rik, I admire your patience ...

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Regardless of the value of comics above, Catawiki's list price is not a good guideline because it is barely adjusted.
You better look at the shops or the results in auctions to get an idea of the true value of a particular comic.

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@benhofmans
Apart from the value of the comics above, Catawiki's list price is not a good guideline because it is barely adjusted


Price suggestions are made daily and there is no backlog in reviewing them.

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@ Collector, thanks for the answer. I assumed there was still a backlog here.
I have already tried with one strip to get the catalog value correct. If this succeeds, I will commit to doing this as much as possible for the comics within my collection area (western, Rode Ridder, Alex, ...)

A question then, usually the ratio of the value is at fair: 25%, good: 50%, near mint condition: 75% and new condition 100%. But is that ratio allowed to deviate in older comics? Copies in (near) new condition are so rare there that the sales value there is many times higher than that of a good condition.

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489000 strips, 1% is 4890 value suggestions for strips. There are many less than 4890 suggestions per day (maybe several hundred), so "barely" is a very correct statement ...

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You overlook the fact that most of the comics barely need to be adjusted for years in terms of value.

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@benhofmans
A question then, usually the ratio of the value is reasonable: 25%, good: 50%, almost new condition: 75% and new condition 100%. But is that ratio allowed to deviate in older comics? Copies in (near) new condition are so rare there that the sales value there is many times higher than that of a good condition.


The ratio 100: 75: 50: 25 applies to comic books from 1970. 90: 60: 30: 15 applies to older comic books. There are exceptions for highly sought-after / sought-after antiquarian comic books in (near) mint condition, such as Tintin, Suske and Wiske.

Before we are suddenly inundated with price suggestions, some general remarks:

  • Provide good arguments with price suggestions, there are plenty of opinions (much too high / low) about prices.
  • Do not expect a written response about a price suggestion, that is not possible with the current system.
  • Administrators already have enough work, so please no small differences of 1 euro or something like that. indicate.
  • Also pay attention to the big picture within a series / series and the different editions.
  • Do not think that by making a price suggestion for 1 item, the administrator will automatically adjust the other parts of that series / series.
  • Determining value is not an exact science, it remains human work. The catalog value is only an indication.
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I'm sorry you said there was no backlog;)

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