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We kregen steeds meer feedback van gebruikers – op dit forum en via mail – die het vervelend vonden dat in de catalogus zichtbaar was wie een bepaald item zocht. Deze gebruikers werden ongewenst benaderd door mensen die het te koop aanboden.

Daarom hebben we besloten af te schermen wie de zoekers zijn. Je kunt nog steeds wel zien hoe vaak iets wordt gezocht.

Als je een item in je shop aanbiedt dan worden alle zoekers nog steeds automatisch via mail er op gewezen dat het gezochte item bij jou te koop is gekomen (tenzij ze dit actief uit hebben gezet in hun profiel). Dit gebeurt ook als je een combinatie-item plaatst v.w.b. zoekers van items die onderdeel zijn van je gecombineerde aanbieding.

Alle reden dus om je aanbod voortaan even in je shop te zetten als je de gewoonte had om zoekers zelf een bericht te sturen.

Als je zelf een item zoekt dan is het betreffende symbooltje in de fotogalerij (oogje) niet alleen onderstreept maar kun je als je op de link met het aantal zoekers klikt, daarna ook doorklikken naar het item in je eigen zoeklijst.

We received more and more feedback from users – on this forum and via email – who found it annoying that the catalog showed who was looking for a certain item. These users were unwantedly approached by people who offered it for sale.

That is why we have decided to shield who the searchers are. You can still see how often something is searched.

If you offer an item in your shop, all searchers will still be automatically informed by e-mail that the item you are looking for has come up for sale (unless they have actively turned this off in their profile). This also happens if you post a combination item to searchers of items that are part of your combined offer.

So every reason to put your offer in your shop from now on if you used to send searchers a message yourself.

If you are looking for an item yourself, the relevant symbol in the photo gallery (eye) is not only underlined, but if you click on the link with the number of searchers, you can also click through to the item in your own search list.

Much better indeed. Now hope that more will be offered through the shops.

For the past few months, I have entered my 7800-piece comic collection here.
And I think it's a shame that this adaptation was chosen.
Now it is again that all buyers and sellers who do want to approach each other have been rejected of this information and opportunity.
You would do better to let them make their own choice.
That could be added to the profile with a check mark.
A possibility of “Sellers may approach me” and also a possibility to ban annoying and intrusive sellers and allow others.
May I ask you to restore the old situation until then.

Maybe I didn't explain it properly: salespeople can still approach you. They only have to offer the strip in question for sale instead of sending you an email that they have that strip on offer. You will then automatically receive a message about this and you can decide whether or not to buy the comic. Searchers now have the choice whether they want to be contacted because they can turn off these automatic messages in My Profile.

For sellers it is only more convenient because putting a strip up for sale can be done quickly with the addition area (only choose condition and enter price). Typing and sending an email to each searcher takes much more time. This happened mainly because sellers were not aware that searchers were already automatically e-mailed when the searched item is offered for sale.

A late response, but I would still like to suggest an option to indicate within your profile page that your search list may be visible. In view of apparently bad experiences with other users, it would then make sense that the lists are not visible by default, and that they should be actively activated by the user.

I would find it especially useful because of the possibility to have acquaintances sniff around remotely: they can always bring an up-to-date list of mine.

Actually, I have a bit of a reverse question here.

Is it not possible to list the albums of the collectors who have protected their collection (anonymously) under "In possession of".

So just
Anonymous: xx copies

Would give a better idea of the rarity of an album.

@Zwendel: That seems a bit tricky in case of very specific subsets. Without naming names: I think there is 1 great Milva collector who has deliberately chosen not to show exactly what he has. If there is now Anonymous: 1 item, it will immediately become clear which items he has.

When he has entered the item, it is also clearly visible. If he is the only one who has it and he can enter the correct measurements, it is not very difficult to find out ...

The correct dimensions of a CD, single or LP are quite easy to check, even if you don't have them ...

Yes, but if he entered them and scanned the illustrations, you also know that he has them.
Soon we will therefore have to screen importers.

Actually, I was mainly talking about comics, because there are so many collectors there that your anonymity is guaranteed.

I also entered items that I don't have myself, but could temporarily use a copy of for a scan.

That's right, but you have referred to the source (as it should be).
I think it is quite clear that if you enter an item and do not indicate under "Details" that you are using the illustrations / scans of other people, it is an item that you have yourself.

Scam, you're referring to my Videopac input. There I did indeed use images from another source, with permission and acknowledgment of the source. But I also entered some CDs that I don't have myself. I borrowed it, scanned it and posted it. 772036 is an example.

OK, but then I still don't understand the problem.

You do indeed have very specific collectors such as Milvajunk, but how many Milva collectors are there in the Netherlands and Belgium? When he enters albums, everyone knows he has them.

I can protect my collection (more specifically the Video Games), but from what I entered everyone knows I have it.

So you should actually shield the importers (if they want to) and then you have no problem.

Protecting entries doesn't seem very practical to me.
An administrator should still be able to email them if they reject an item or have questions about an item.

we can ask ourselves if this is useful information for the users and it should remain visible to them

it should be easy to solve to make this only visible to the administrators

Indicating how many albums are known to CW is not such a bad idea if you can guarantee that it is not possible to find out who owns them

but for this all data that can refer to a person must become invisible to unauthorized persons

when someone chooses to keep their collection private I assume they really want it private and currently this is inconclusive as quoted above

Of course there is no indication that the data that can be found here has already been abused, but it would still be interesting to see how such gaps can be closed and prevent abuse.

I regularly receive requests to sell those items that I add to Catawiki and to my collection.
The link between importer and item is therefore quickly established.

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I just posted this answer in another thread:

“We have the idea to offer the possibility to create a friends list of collectors in due course. They could therefore have more rights than average users, for example being able to view your search list. ”

This could perhaps fulfill some of the wishes raised here.

it should be easy to solve to make this only visible to the administrators

This is easy to change so that an administrator can see who entered it and a user cannot see it.

Hm, I am not that devastated by such a setup.

My problem is that you create an illusion of anonymity, while certain people can see that you have added a porn comic, for example.
Then you could be shocked when an administrator asks a question about it.

It is not for nothing that when you make your own collection invisible, it is also invisible to the administrators.
There are also reasons why administrators can see who has something in their collection.
For example to report that an item has been deleted.
However, it has been decided that anonymous is really anonymous.

If it happens, it should be clearly stated that administrators can see it.
And we know how badly some people read….
It's also a confusing story that hiding your collection is really anonymous, and adding an item is only half.

Then I wonder to what extent such a thing is desirable, just so that others can see how many people have a certain item in their collection.

Moreover, I think you also get an indication of how rare something is, based on how often something is put up for sale.

I think we're going in circles here.

My original question was to include the number of anonymous owners.

Objection was: but then collectors of "uncommon" items will know that they have it when they have entered it.
But they know this anyway, if they put it in, they have it 99% of the time.

So mentioning the number of anonymous owners does not change the current situation.

Making entries anonymous is another matter. It is a principle of a wiki that entries and changes are always visible and actually I am in favor of that too, although it can deter owners of expensive and rare items. It is a difficult question to which I do not immediately know an answer.

PS. Determining "rare" on the basis of items for sale only applies to "not rare" items. There is usually little or even nothing for sale of rare items.

PS. Determining "rare" on the basis of items for sale only applies to "not rare" items. There is usually little or even nothing for sale of rare items.

That's what I say.
If something is rarely or never offered, it is an indication that it is rare.
Anyway, you don't have to.
Something that is rarely or never in a collection does not necessarily have to be rare.
If only 1 person on Catawiki has a particular Milva CD, that says nothing about the rarity.
It remains an indication.

The number of times something is in a search list is also indicated.
That also gives a pretty good indication.
Especially when you compare it to the items for sale.
The difference between supply and demand is, in my opinion, the clearest indication of whether something is rare or not.

Moreover, something can have a high circulation, but so many enthusiasts who stick to the item, and do not want to sell, that you can still speak of a rare item.
Rarity is somewhat of a relative concept.

But they know this anyway, if they have entered it, they will have it 99% of the time.

You will be surprised how often it happens that people have entered something that they do not have (anymore).

Yes, but not shielding the importers and the others does have a serious impact.

You now have two types of users:
- those who just use Catawiki (and don't enter anything). These are completely shielded.
- those who also enter items themselves, they are not protected. I recently entered a couple of comics covers (because the originals were so bad). Of course I don't have them (no-no-no I don't have them), I borrowed them from a friend ;-)

And enter things you don't have without saying: your own fault, big bump.

And supply / demand: I'll answer about that tomorrow.

If you really want to enter something anonymously, you can of course always create a new account. (but now we digress)

With your comment “your own fault, big bump” you are also talking about kdamme and other importers who entered items very accurately, without having them. For certain sections, such as stamps, coasters, trading cards, etc., it is not such a problem if you enter something without having it.

There are also tons of people who enter something and then sell the item.
Is that also “your own fault, big bump”?

And supply / demand: I'll answer about that tomorrow.

I don't want to be silly, but I've actually kind of talked about it now.
Don't expect any more detailed answers from me.

So don't bother too much.