LastDodo site & app/Reserve price at auctions26 messages

If a reserve price is not met at an auction, is this visible after the auction has ended?

The first lot at the last Marc Sleen auction has ended for a quarter of the estimate (€ 900 vs € 3,000 - € 4,000). Which makes me wonder: Was the reserve very low and sold for € 900, or was it not sold and not showing?

An auctioneer's estimate is not the same as a reserve price.

In the bottom right of the FAQ:

What does "auctioneer estimate" mean?

For some valuable lots, an estimate of the yield made by the auctioneer is indicated. Estimates given with the lot are no more than a rough indication and do not guarantee the true value.

What is a reserve price?

A reserve price is a hidden minimum price; the minimum price for which a provider wants to sell his lot. If the auction ends and the reserve price is not bid, the lot has not been sold. Visit this page for more information.

No, afterwards it is no longer stated whether the reserve has been taken or not.

An estimate from the auctioneer is only included if there is also a reserve price. You can assume that the minimum price is never (much) lower than the lowest estimate.

So that drawing by Sleen has simply not been sold. I don't know why it is so secretive about it.

vindt je het gek voor zo een porto prijs daarvoor rij ik met mijn diesel  meer dan 2200 km

Verzendkosten

Nederland€150,00

België€100,00

Verenigd Koninkrijk€150,00

Frankrijk€150,00

Duitsland€150,00

Geselecteerde Europese landen?€150,00

Wereld€300,00

do you think it's crazy for such a postage price for that I drive more than 2200 km with my diesel

Postage costs

Netherlands€150.00

Belgium€100.00

United Kingdom€150.00

France€150.00

Germany€150.00

Selected European countries ? €150.00

World€300.00

The shipping costs are for a home delivery within Belgium or a delivery to Amsterdam.
if further shipped insured

And then also only to Amsterdam!

You think it is crazy for such a postage price for that I drive more than 2200 km with my diesel

You have to turn around after 1100 km, otherwise you will not come home :-)

Think he took the escort service table

that's true, but also with 1100 I'm on the Brenner in Denmark, Poland etc (: - :)

An estimate from the auctioneer is only included if there is also a reserve price. You may assume that the minimum price is never (much) lower than the lowest estimate.

So that drawing by Sleen has simply not been sold. I don't know why it is so secretive about it.

Someone pointed me to this thread.

The auctioneer's estimate is not only included if there is a reserve price, but is in principle always with a very valuable lot.

This Sleen drawing (lot 1) has indeed been sold.

@Rene

me and others have regularly noticed that some lots return to the auction between 3 and 7 times without reserve price, from the same supplier and with the same photos. It is also striking that these lots are from a few many suppliers, some work through antiques & amp; curiosities and the other (s) through the design auction.

As a frequent supplier, you can make special agreements with Catawiki so that without reserve price the offered lots are not hammered for an apple and an egg?

I made a schematic overview of this a few months ago, will see if I have saved it.

@Artifacts
As a frequent provider, can you make special agreements with Catawiki so that the lots offered are not hammered for an apple and an egg without a reserve price?

No, the conditions are the same for every seller.

Mijn vraag hoe je bij een kavel met een reserve na afloop van de veiling kan zien of deze wel of niet is verkocht blijft onbeantwoord. Ik heb wat onderzoek gedaan, door een kavel met een reserve price in de gaten te houden, en wel deze kavel: http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/582999-disney-walt-3-blikken-dozen-mickey-en-sneeuwwitje-jaren-30

Deze kavel had een reserve price, die niet is bereikt tijdens het bieden. Nu de veiling is afgelopen, staat er een eindbod van € 200, maar is het niet meer duidelijk of het kavel is verkocht. Waarom is dat? Waarom staat er niet gewoon "kavel is niet verkocht" bij?

My question about how you can see whether or not a lot with a reserve has been sold after the auction has ended remains unanswered. I did some research by keeping an eye on a lot with a reserve price, this lot: http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/582999-disney-walt-3-blikken-dozen-mickey- and-snow-white-1930s

This lot had a reserve price, which was not reached during the bidding. Now that the auction has ended, there is a final bid of € 200, but it is no longer clear whether the lot has been sold. Why is that? Why doesn't it just say "lot has not been sold"?

At regular auctions you also have the aftersales and unsold lots are sometimes still sold for a slightly lower price. If I understand correctly, lots with a reserve price during an auction will say whether a price has not yet been reached. Once it has been collected, that text will disappear and the lot will be sold. If it is not passed, the item has not been sold.

Unfortunately I was unable to follow this exciting auction, because I was following the BNN National IQ test 2014 and got a score of 134. Therefore I do not know if the reserve price has been met and it is not mentioned.

What is in any case certain is that all lots with an estimate from the auctioneer from this auction have not met their estimate. I had also reported this to the auctioneer, but unfortunately I did not have the time to pass on the correct estimates, which were closer to the current sales prices. Only the proceeds of the Snow White lot I think is extremely high for drawings that most probably do not come from New York, but from Eastern Europe (Czechoslovakia ??). And if it already yielded so much money, then the provider should at least have correctly stated his description (dinnir ??). Perhaps a little too much was paid for lot 116, which I think you can still buy it at The American Bookstore for 250 euros.

I also think that the estimates are incorrect, because the drawings already have a lot of money is spent and then the other things are left to someone else. As a result, there are also items that in my opinion are hammered for far too little (such as those Bayard clocks, for collectors at least 150 euros), but that is nice for a collector.

Actually off topic, but it is striking about the same auction that, for example, the same items often appear at auctions. I think I have lot 119 already number (4x?) times and then I think around the price for which he is now hammered. And I also think it's great to see if something is really from that time, because I also have that album in new condition, but it is so cool that I cannot see whether it is a reprint or real.

@DisneyMeentwijc: dank voor je snelle en uitgebreide antwoord.

Kavel http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/582999-disney-walt-3-blikken-dozen-mickey-en-sneeuwwitje-jaren-30 heb ik in de gaten gehouden toen hij afliep. Kort voor het aflopen van de kavel stond het hoogste bod van € 200 er, met de melding "Reserve price nog niet bereikt". Nu de veiling is afgelopen staat er nog steeds als hoogste bod € 200, dus ik kan alleen maar concluderen dat de kavel niet is verkocht. Maar dat is niet aangegeven in de kavel, ik weet het slechts omdat ik de kavel zag aflopen.

Een andere kavel waarvan ik (nog) zeker(der) weet dat het niet is verkocht, is kavel 105. Het hoogste bod van € 295 op die kavel is van mij. Na dat bod kreeg ik de melding "Let op: u heeft een bod uitgebracht onder de reserve price (...) Op dit kavel zit een reserve price. Uw bod zit hier nog onder. Als de veiling eindigt en de reserve price is niet geboden, dan is het kavel niet verkocht. Uw bod is wel zichtbaar in de biedhistorie."

Ik heb 2 van de andere kavels uit deze veiling gewonnen, en kavel 105 zit ook niet bij de lijst met kavels die ik moet betalen.

@DisneyMeentwijc: thanks for your quick and extensive answer.

I kept an eye on the lot http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/582999-disney-walt-3-blikken-dozen-mickey-en-snowwhite-years-30 when it expired. Shortly before the lot expired, the highest bid of € 200 was made, with the message "Reserve price not yet reached". Now that the auction has ended, the highest bid is still € 200, so I can only conclude that the lot has not been sold. But that is not indicated in the lot, I only know because I saw the lot expire.

Another lot of which I am (still) certain that it has not been sold is lot 105 . The highest bid of €295 on that lot is mine. After that bid I received the message "Note: you have made a bid below the reserve price (...) This lot has a reserve price. Your bid is still below this. If the auction ends and the reserve price is not bid, then the lot is not sold. Your bid is visible in the bidding history."

I have won 2 of the other lots from this auction, and lot 105 is also not on the list of lots I have to pay for.

Eigenlijk off-topic, maar wel over dezelfde veiling is het wel opvallen dat bijvoorbeeld dezelfde items vaak bij veilingen voorkomen. Volgens mij heb ik kavel 119 al een aantal (4x ?) keer voorbij zien komen en dan volgens mij rond de prijs waarvoor hij nu gehamerd is. En ik vind het ook knap om te zien of iets echt uit die tijd komt, want ik heb dat album ook in nieuwstaat, maar hij is zo gaaf, dat ik niet kan zien of het een herdruk is of echt.

http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/8525-donald-duck-eerste-comic-met-donald-duck-usa-1935

23 maart 2012, 750 Euro

http://veiling.catawiki.be/kavels/10741-donald-duck-eerste-boek-met-donald-duck-usa-1935

14 mei 2012, 650 Euro

http://veiling.catawiki.be/kavels/8721-donald-duck-eerste-comic-met-donald-duck-usa-1935

18 juni 2012, 150 Euro,

http://veiling.catawiki.be/kavels/14453-donald-duck-amerikaanse-editie-sc-1e-druk-1935

Datum? Niet verkocht

En dan de huidige veiling. Lijkt meestal wel om andere exemplaren te gaan, maar je begint je wel af te vragen of dit echt zo'n zeldzaam boekje is als er in Nederland en België al zo veel te vinden zijn. Geen idee of en wanneer er facsimiles gemaakt zijn (zoals van Journal de Mickey 1 uit 1934, altijd verwarrend als je die vindt).

Actually off-topic, but about the same auction it is striking that, for example, the same items often appear at auctions. I think I've seen lot 119 a few (4x?) times and then I think around the price for which it is now hammered. And I also think it's great to see if something really comes from that time, because I also have that album in new condition, but it's so cool that I can't tell if it's a reprint or the real thing.

http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/8525-donald-duck-eerste-comic-met-donald-duck-usa-1935

March 23, 2012, 750 Euros

http://veiling.catawiki.be/kavels/10741-donald-duck-eerste-boek-met-donald-duck-usa-1935

May 14, 2012, 650 Euros

http://veiling.catawiki.be/kavels/8721-donald-duck-eerste-comic-met-donald-duck-usa-1935

June 18, 2012, 150 Euro,

http://veiling.catawiki.be/kavels/14453-donald-duck-Amerikaanse-editie-sc-1e-druk-1935

Date? Not sold

And then the current auction. Usually seems to be other copies, but you do start to wonder whether this is really such a rare book when there are so many to be found in the Netherlands and Belgium. No idea if and when facsimiles were made (like Journal de Mickey 1 from 1934, always confusing when you find it).

Even more OT.

* It is not the first book with Donald Duck, it is the first book by Donald Duck. The first book with Donald was Mickey Mouse Annual 3 from 1933.

* It's a weird book. Is officially earmarked as very rare, but appears to pop up everywhere and nowhere. And not just here. I know a documented story from a collector from America. A dealer had told him he would never find the book for less than $ 300. That's why the collector bought every copy he could get for (usually much) less than $ 300. A few years ago he already had more than 30 copies. :-)

Also off-topic actually.

But this is also a very nice comparison in terms of shipping costs.

5 x exactly the same sheet

• 8.00
• 8.50
• 15.00
• 12.00
• 15.00

Between the highest and lowest is almost double!

@Artifacts
As a frequent provider, can you make special agreements with Catawiki so that without a reserve price the lots offered are not hammered away for an apple and an egg?

No, the conditions are the same for every seller.

I was able to buy a lot today for 1 €.

What will that seller be happy (lol)

Heb vandaag toch een kavel kunnen kopen aan 1 €.

Wat zal die verkoper gelukkig zijn (lol)

Niet dat ik je het misgun lordenie, maar dat is wel de hoofdreden dat ik zelf 

niets meer aanbiedt op de Catawiki veiling, die belachelijk lage startprijs van 1 euro.

Today I was able to buy a lot for 1 €.

That seller will be happy (lol)

Not that I begrudge you, Lordenie, but that is the main reason that I myself

no longer offers anything on the Catawiki auction, that ridiculously low starting price of 1 euro.

This lot had a reserve price, which was not reached during the bidding. Now that the auction has ended, there is a final bid of € 200, but it is no longer clear whether the lot has been sold. Why is that? Why does it not simply say "lot is not sold"?

This topic has been opened with this question, but unfortunately still no clarifying answer has been given.

Would someone from Catawiki answer why it is not listed if a lot remains unsold because the reserve price has not been reached? I think it is essential to know whether or not a lot has been sold for a certain price.

And hopefully this information can become visible in the future.

As long as the reserve price has not been reached, the lot has not been sold.

But that is also not clear, because the text "reserve price has not been reached" is no longer there after the auction has closed at

this comic: http://veiling.catawiki.nl/kavels/921861-robbedoes-tijdschrift-79-a-robbedoes-verzamelde- numbers-79-hc-1961

is not sold, but you can not see it anywhere

When you bid on something with a reserved price and you are below the limit, you will receive a message with the text that it will not be sold if the reserved price is not reached.

AND yes that the closed auction no longer stated the reserved price may be annoying but not entirely wrong. After all. What is offered always better indicates the value one is willing to pay for it. And therefore a better indication of the value than the reserved price that one person attached to it.

Hallo, als een kavel bv. op 1E blijft staan dan is alleen het inpakken al te duur.

Of je moet een belachelijk hoge verzendprijs bedingen.

Waarom kun je geen minimum prijs aangeven voor alles?

Met toestemming van Catawiki natuurlijk.

Anders is het risiko wel erg groot en kun je beter op marktplaats

aanbieden.

Hello, if a lot remains on 1E, for example, then packing alone is already too expensive.

Or you have to negotiate a ridiculously high shipping price.

Why can't you specify a minimum price for everything?

With permission from Catawiki, of course.

Otherwise the risk is very high and you are better off on the marketplace

offer.

@ graskees

If the lot is at 1 € (Ctrl-Alt-5 ) Remains, everyone will immediately take into account a price of say 10 €. Or, in case he has already bought something from the provider, with that 1 €

And yes if you state the requirement that "the expected return must be more than 75 €" then 1 € might be low but I don't see the problem. At the auction I mark the items that I want to follow as a favorite and the items on which I may be bidding there I will bid at the beginning. That way I can limit the selection during the auction to what I want to track and the "buy options" are recognizable by the red color. Works well.

And lots that I could buy under 10 € I did not come across with my "buy options" I do see them on other auctions, for example with LPs, but that is also a difficult to predict market .