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The signatures currently offered from ABBA are FAKE

Don't fall for this

really too ridiculous for words to offer them here

This types of actions should really be banned from an auction site!

If you mean lot 1 ... It clearly says 'photo wrong' ... (;-)

both lot 1 and 5 are fake!

@Arco

where do you see: picture wrong?

see this:

"This is not a print, but a original photo with signatures! "

It also says: 'Photo is in excellent condition' ...

In any case, the scribbles of lot 1 and lot 5 not at all on top of each other. That should ring alarm bells.

Do you also have a sample of the real signatures?

Real ones look like this!

spot the differences !!

can't add a photo I think ??

hbb=1 .en / itm / KOMPLETT-ABBA-ORIGINAL-AUTOGRAMM-AUTOGRAPHED-SIGNED-TOURBOOK-JAPAN-A3- / 231204264407? pt = Autogramm_Autograph & amp; hash = item35d4d919d7 & amp; _uhb = 1

P.S. Maybe a stupid question, but what does lot 14 search in the ABBA auction?

Je moet het ruim zien (we) hebben ook wel eens gewonnen.

maar hier wat voorbeelden

http://www.abbaplaza.com/site-nl/autographs-by-person.asp?IdPersoon=5

You have to see it broadly (we) have also won sometimes.

but here are some examples

http://www.abbaplaza.com/site-nl/autographs-by-person.asp?IdPersoon=5

On the back of lot 5 is a kind of certificate. The website mentioned on it is pining for the fjords, but the owner of the email address XOGOLD13 is still in the signature trade.

Overigens is het: "Foto verkeert in uitstekende staat." (alle eer aan Arco;-)

ABBA foto verkeerd

Caveat emptor in Catawiki

By the way, it is: "Photo is in excellent condition ." (all credit to Arco ;-)

ABBA picture wrong

Caveat emptor in Catawiki

such a certificate says nothing at all! I've been a fan of ABBA for so long that with my eyes closed I copy them even better than the ones on offer ...

Too sad for words that people pay a lot of money for something that really has 0 euros value !

you also see a lot of fakes on ebay ed really ridiculous

Incidentally, it is: "Photo is in excellent condition."

Gosh, who had commented on that before? (;-)

A penny in the bag because the penny did not fall? :-)

Lots 1 and 5 are different providers, who really offers and who does not. Both are also possible, if a signature has grown into the existence of a band.

Generally speaking, the bigger a band, the more counterfeit material circulating, the fans will undoubtedly know the phenomenon.

At the moment I cannot be decisive enough in deciding on this. Does anyone have any examples directly derived from ABBA or their management?

And?

Maybe for future auctions it is an idea to do research before starts and not include such a lot in the auction at all, if the authenticity of the signatures cannot be verified. -crosschecked

At the moment I cannot be decisive enough in deciding on this. Does anyone have any examples directly derived from ABBA or their management?

To do the research now during the auction is a little mustard after the meal. This also does not seem very pleasant for the conscious auction providers and bidders on the lots. I think it would be wise to remove the lots about which there are now doubts. This is credible and benefits the image of the Catawiki auctions. Paying € 141 and € 130, respectively, for potentially counterfeit signatures does not promote trust.

and you as Artdecorations can give a 100 percent answer?

Not me here. And there is too much uncertified authentic material to close the gate there. Many fans would find that a pity.

In addition.

I remember a Rembrandt who was only declared authentic after 20 years of debating.

Before that, all experts knew 'Certainly' that this was not the case.

When in doubt, don't cross, don't bid is my motto.

I don't think it's that difficult Raymond:

When in doubt, just don't include it in the auction. That prevents a lot of misery. In the auction world it is quite common that one can rely on a correct lot description and auctioneers who check their lots.

You do not need to do the actual auctioning. to do so much work. The investment in time and effort should be put into the preliminary work and research of your lots.
Not content, but quality is key!

Another possibility is to provide a clear and unambiguous plot description in which it is explicitly stated that these are unverified signatures. This also prevents you from having to return the bidders their money afterwards, because the lot description turned out to be misleading.

But to end on a positive note; the rest of your auction looks fine.

Waar het omgaat hoe betrouwbaar wil je zijn!

misschien zijn beide echt waarom niet alleen er is twijfel uitgesproken en daar komt geen antwoord op.

we weten het niet!

En dan is de vraag wil of moet je dat dan plaatsen?

What matters is how reliable do you want to be!

maybe both are real why not only doubt has been expressed and there is no answer to that.

we do not know!

And then the question is do you want or should you post it?

Buy safely

1. All auctions are supervised by an auctioneer

Every auction on Catawiki is supervised by a professional auctioneer. All auctioneers are experts in their collection area and personally select the items to be auctioned. In addition, the auctioneer supervises the auction and is the point of contact for any problems.

The prominent mention of an auctioneer (with name and photo) suggests a high degree of reliability. It turns out that many bidders are blind to that.

A site like eBay does not start there, it explicitly says "The seller takes full responsibility for this offer." That is why "caveat emptor" rightly applies.

The reasoning "I don't know, so I allow it" does not sound very reassuring in this situation, from the mouth of a professional. I also assume no malicious intent on the part of the providers, but also for sellers ignorance should not be an excuse to ignore doubts.

That many fans think it is a shame if suspect material is not auctioned also seems debatable. How do those fans know what the auctioneer is rejecting before it goes up for auction?

Signatures are always a pain. Without an American PSA / DNA certificate (COA) or letter of authenticity (LOA), no guarantee can actually be given that the signature is authentic. Unless, of course, you have a photo of the moment the signature was placed ...

Items are also offered in the Fashion auction, of which the auctioneer cannot see remotely whether they are Chinese counterfeit. That is why the description of such lots states the following: Please note: the seller guarantees the authenticity of this product.

Perhaps useful to include this if signatures are and to give the buyer a guarantee that they will get their money back from the seller if the signatures can be proven to be fake?

Of course we will take a closer look at how these two lots are. Judging signatures is never easy, that's what Raymond means to say. Especially because someone's signature often develops over time and artists usually place them at a high tempo and therefore somewhat sloppy.

The relevant providers are very well known to us and have together already auctioned 400 lots with a 100% positive feedback score from the buyers.

Authenticity is always difficult !! How clever that some remote users, in this case via a computer screen, can see that the signatures are fake. I have been collecting signed photos of artists, actors, etc ..... and if something is difficult it is to establish the authenticity. A COA or LOA (certificate / letter of authencity) also says nothing in 99% of the cases and is often drawn up by sellers themselves. However, it is always possible to determine with certainty whether it is a (re) print or a real signature.

@bluessharp

There are even many examples of PSA / DNA that have assessed signatures as "fake", while their authenticity has already been irrefutably established. Google and you will find it.

By the way, I totally agree with you about "standing for the authenticity" and guarantee my auctions for the full 100% money back guarantee!

Signatures not only change over the years, but can differ enormously from each other even in a short period of time and all too often end up in "scribbles" that are just as authentic.

@ ABBAERIC (account without further data)

Too bad that you are so blatant and oversimplified, or is your expertise authorized?

Many of us enjoy collecting these types of autographed photos and realize that it is very difficult to determine whether they are 100% authentic signatures.

Too bad you in this way questions my integrity ........

I certainly question it, over the years I have had many items signed by the members and the signature remains recognizable.

I would say ask the official fan club (who is in the Netherlands, Roosendaal) and there too they can report to you with 1000% certainty that these signatures are fake!