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I still miss the genres “puzzle” and “education”.
And a way to import American DS games, without getting them in between the English language European DS games.
Splitting them on Pal and NTSC -U / C can namely not.
A separation between language in the game and language in the manual may also be desirable to avoid confusion.

Puzzle and Education have been added. Thanks!
Adventure was already a bit intended as a Puzzle by the way. Could they be put together?
How would you like to do that split between English and American? A Country field?
I have to think about those languages for a moment. You are right that they may differ for manual and game, but it might become a bit complex for the average importer.

Een spel als dit:
884877
is een voorbeeld van een puzzel spel dat niets met adventure te maken heeft.
Er bestaan best veel van dit soort spellen.
Zelf zou ik trouwens zo min mogelijk dingen samen voegen.
Zo zou ik First person en shooter van elkaar los knippen.
Dan kan men First person ook aan andere genres koppelen, zoals rpg
Shooter kunnen invoerders dan zelf koppelen First person, Third person of “On rails” (die laatste mis ik ook nog)
Zelfde geld voor Real time en Turn based.
Die termen zijn ook toepasbaar op puzzel games.
Er zijn ook survival games die niets met horror te maken hebben.
Arcade, “Point and click” en “tekst game” mis ik trouwens ook nog als genre.
Ik zit inderdaad aan een “land van uitgave” veld te denken. (daar moet je dan meer dan 1 land kunnen invoeren)
Het maakt het inderdaad complexer om de juiste uitgaven voor je verzameling terug te vinden, maar zoiets zie je overal in Catawiki terug.
Daar ontkom je bijna niet aan als mensen alles willen invoeren.
Het zal er wel op uitdraaien dat je bij de games straks ook met hoofdreeksen ga werken, net als bij de strips.

A game like this:
884877
is an example of a puzzle game that has nothing to do with adventure.
There are quite a lot of these types of games.
Personally, I would put as few things together as possible.
For example, I would separate First person and shooter from each other.
Then one can also link First person to other genres, such as rpg
Shooters can then link inputs themselves First person, Third person or “On rails” (I also miss the latter)
Same money for Real time and Turn based.
Those terms are also applicable to puzzle games.
There are also survival games that have nothing to do with horror.
I also miss arcade, “Point and click” and “text game” as a genre.
I am indeed thinking of a "country of issue" field. (there you must be able to enter more than 1 country)
It does indeed make it more complex to find the right editions for your collection, but you see something like that everywhere in Catawiki.
You can hardly avoid that if people want to enter everything.
It will turn out that you will soon also be working with main series in the games, just like with the comics.

Well, if you are going to merge things, then Tomb Raider is an Action / Adventure (often these are in combination) but don't do that, but entering them separately is better.
Country of publication (can still be the Netherlands) is not always clearly indicated, rather than “country of production” or “Produced in”

Yes, country of expenditure is actually too complicated for many people, I think. (although you can usually find it in the booklet)
Production country doesn't seem interesting at all.
That doesn't say much about which version you have.

Anyway a problem, especially figuring out if it's US or UK. They often go out as EUROPEAN .

Something has to be done anyway.
As it is to you, there is little point in entering anything in the games.
I don't quite understand why it is difficult here, about being able to input both the languages in the game as the languages in the manual / on the packaging, while on the DVDs fields such as order number, EAN code, audio tracks, image format, etc. are effortlessly entered.
Apparently viewers of movies are considered to be slightly more intelligent than players of computer games.

That's not too bad, maybe we can summarize what needs to be done about the fields:
- Distinction between Languages in the game and Languages in manual / packaging
- EAN ?
- expand genres in the sense that the different values can be combined if necessary.
Any other suggestions?

Those things indeed.
Wouldn't it be better to speak of “bar code number” instead of “ean code”?
The numbers for the American bar codes are not ean codes, right? I guess American and European handheld games are different.
Besides cutting and combining genres, there are also some genres that can be added.
I think of things like
Point and click
Text game
Quiz
Maze
Pinball
Side-scrolling
Light gun
On rails
2d
3d
Stealth
Interactive movie - Visual novel - Dating - Construction - Management - Digital pets - Collecting
Must have forgotten a few more.
Maybe others know more genres?

Thanks! Those genres are in it.
And First person Shooter has become Shooter. First person has been added. And Third person Shooter has become Third person.
Real time strategy and Turn based strategy have become Real time and Turn based respectively. Strategy has been added.
Survival Horror has become Horror and Survival has been added separately.
Should Arcade be included in your previous post?
“Distinction between Languages in the game and Languages in manual / packaging” I have put on the agenda for early next week when Marco is back. Oops, I didn't know that American barcodes are different again. I thought EAN was a global concept. Hmm, then it gets complicated. Does anyone have more info on this?

Very nice, thank you.
Don't do Arcade.
The term is usually used to describe games from gaming cabinets, where you have to throw coins in.
Although they were later released on console, it is actually strange to see them even then. always called arcade.
Nowadays it is sometimes one of the game modes in some console games (think of beat them ups) but actually not really a genre in itself.
There are quite a few snags to those barcodes.
Besides the EAN (European article numbering), which is indeed used in almost all other countries except in Europe, you also have a North American, Chinese and Japanese barcode system.
Within the EAN system, different variations also occur.
Dutch bar codes always have 13 digits, but in Belgium, for example, it sometimes happens that only 8 numbers are used.
Since 2007, the ISBN number is the same as the EAN code.
If you consider also EAN codes for the books, you have to take into account that in many cases this means that the same number must be entered in 2 different fields.
What you should be most concerned about is how the barcodes will develop in the future.
Since the beginning of this year, they have been using the GS1 code for foodstuffs.
In addition to country, manufacturer and product, this bar code contains much more information.
You should think about this. best before date, variable weight and batch number (other information is also possible)
Of course we never put food in Catawiki, but it is not inconceivable that other products will also receive extra information in a bar code (such as a batch number) in the future.

Complex. And this actually applies to all recent items… (there is also a topic about it in the DVD section).
In any case, we cannot call the field “EAN (barcode)” because there are other barcode systems.
However, every product only has 1 barcode, it seems to me? So we could have a barcode field where a EAN can be entered or some other barcode. Then we just can't do any more checks by calculating the check digit.
At DVD you also have an order number. Is that also the case with Video games?

Hey, NFS (Need for Speed) is and still will be a ARCADE , but then a ARCADE RACING . Racing like Forza is just RACING or SPORT .
Anyway, nice list Arwin, think you've forgotten a few. Think of RPG , Racing and Voice Controled (End War for example).

@ René,
Complex is a nice summary.
Order number remains difficult.
DVD 's are made for 1 device.
Each console is in fact a different device every time .
(A ps3 is a different device than a ps2)
There are often numbers on the boxes, but they vary considerably.
How are people going to recognize this as an order code, if there are also other numbers on the box?
It is also not always easy to find them if you do not know what you are looking for.
How often goes that would then be entered I wonder

@ André
What do you think is the definition of the Arcade genre in console games?
I think it's more of a game mode like “time attack” or “team battle”
Racing and RPG already existed, I just mentioned the genres I was missing.
When you talk about “Voice Controled”, I think it has more to do with the way you control a game than you are talking about a genre.
But yes, that is in fact the case with “Light Gun”, and that is often just seen as a genre.
So maybe “Voice Controled” should be added as well indeed .
On the other hand, I'm like, how often does it happen that a game is “Voice Controled”?
Besides the game you mention, only those DS training games come to mind .
Couldn't that info be better with details?

I now realize that you also have those sing-along games.
They are in fact also controlled by voice of course.
Isn't it more convenient if there is a field for “input divices”?
With Wii games that is interesting information anyway, but you will soon also get that Natal and that luminous dildo from Sony.
The Dreamcast used to have all kinds of extras in terms of control.

I know that, but Arcade has often been a game on the cabinets, but those games were also made for the PC. But if you search, you will still find Arcade games. Pacman, Pinball, Lemmings, etc.
Search and you will find Arcade Games.

If I had to define the “genre Arcade” for console games myself I would say:
Short levels
Simple controls
Rapidly increasing difficulty
Agree?
Pac man I think is a maze game
Pinball I think is a genre in itself
Lemmings I think is a puzzle game
But they do indeed (at least partly) fall within the definitions I have just given of an arcade game.
What I'm just wondering is whether you should actually see arcade as a genre.
There are also games that have an arcade mode, in addition to the normal mode.
Are we talking about a different genre game, like you play it in that mode?

Arcade is Arcade, but many games are covered by the definitions you provide. Anyway, why not leave it alone, many old games are really arcade, or at least arcade oriented.

Arcade is arcade?
That's very general though.
I can't do much with that.
Can you give a good description of how you recognize an arcade game?
Surely it cannot be that we count everything that is old, or that has ever been played on an arcade machine, to the genre arcade?
Indeed, many games are covered by the definitions I provide.
But I think that's because arcade isn't really a genre.

Arcade is a rather vague genre by definition, I think. In a general sense, many people mean games that could be played on large gaming machines in arcades, I think.

Hmm, what games were they on those cabinets again?
Street fighter. Need for Play, Sega Rally, etc ..

Arcade was an old term, later on there were more genres that offered more distinction.
The old NES games are still often part of Arcade, I thought on the packaging as well.
There used to be Arcade Packs with all kinds of games in that pack.
Mha, now arcade is kind of dead. Unfortunately I can no longer look at the NES games, because I don't have them anymore.

We agree that arcade is a commonly used term in games.
Which games saw their first light on an arcade machine, I know quite accurately, that's not the problem.
The point is, I think it's hard to maintain it's a genre.
The first monkey ball was originally an arcade game.
Later it came out on the game cube as a super monkey ball.
So that is an arcade game in terms of genre?
Later on there were successors for various consoles of monkey ball, which never appeared on an arcade machine.
They do not belong to the genre arcade, while the game mechanism is identical to the first part?
Let me ask another question.
What do you understand by the term “game genre”?
And now please don't come up with “a genre is a genre” ;-)

Put it that way, arcade is a game TYPE not a genre.