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March 19, 2019 16:27

I have this track stitch pin, but its origin is unknown.

The train set is not the "Fliegende Hamburger from Germany (inquire DB museum Nürnberg)

The date February 7, 1937 in combination with railways has already been researched by me, but no result.

Link to the pin below:

https://www.catawiki.nl/catalogus/speldjes-pins-en-buttons/bedrijven/onbekend/7584967-treinstel-7-feb-1937-vlag-rood-wit-geeld32daf418af2af698451darea8df69845darea8df698

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March 19, 2019 16:46

This is not the DB (Deutsche Bundesbahn, which was only created in 1949), but the Deutsche Reichsbahn.

The Deutsche Reichsbahn (DR) was created in early 1937 after a reorganization of several regional and local railway companies and became a state-owned company.

The pin will most likely have been awarded on the occasion of the creation of the new DR.

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March 20, 2019 14:54

Intriguing pin. Could you add a photo of the back? I doubt whether it is a stick pin, I suspect that it has a brooch clasp.

Furthermore, it is unlikely that the pin came from Germany, because the Nazi flag was in use there at the time. The date format is also not German, then there should be a period after the 7.

The colors point further in the direction of Belgium, but the order is wrong for that (red-yellow-black). I can't find a flag with red at the top and yellow at the bottom.

Now it's hard to judge from a photo, but where the broken red enamel at the top looks authentic, the yellow at the bottom is questionable. Could that have been painted later? Could it ever have been red-white-blue?

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March 20, 2019 17:43

I can't find a flag with red at the top and yellow at the bottom.

Yes, the Belgian flag from 1830 ...

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March 20, 2019 19:33

No.

You may mean the flag of Belgium during the Brabant Revolution (1789-1790).

But is that relevant to 1937?

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March 21, 2019 14:24

What happened on Feb 7th. 1937?

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March 21, 2019 16:10

Not much. It was a Sunday. Cold and cloudy in the Netherlands.

What do you do by train on a Sunday? To Lourdes? No idea.

It is also a remarkably simple train set, without a locomotive and almost no doors.

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March 21, 2019 19:17

The model looks a bit like the German "Fliegende Züge" from the 1930s.

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  • March 26, 2019 11:03
March 26, 2019 11:03

Dear forum goers

After many wanderings and expert consultations from both the German / Belgian and Dutch curators of the relevant railway museums.

I got a tip from the Dutch curator of the Utrecht railway museum to start looking for Den Bosch and carnival.

What turns out on February 7, 1937 was a Carnival Sunday.

After I contacted the carnival museum, it responded with the message that:

The flag is from Den Bosch, the middle part which is now colorless and must be white.

This pin was undeniably made on the occasion of the arrival of HRH Prince Amadeiro XVI on February 7, 1937.

Every Prince travels to the station by train to attend carnival.

This is a plausible statement for me and the carnival museum curator had never seen this pin before.

The train depicted on the pin is a so-called fantasy train that resembles models from that time, but after studying it does not match a model from that time.

The mystery of the origin has been solved for me and thank you for thinking along.

The pin will be included in a documentary to be made about the carnival celebration and the Prince's travels in Den Bosch by train.

Marcel

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March 26, 2019 12:03

How stupid that I didn't think about carnival ... The flag of Oeteldonk is indeed red-white-yellow. I didn't know that, although I lived there as a child.

Nice piece of research!

The question remains whether this is really a stick pin or a brooch.

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