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December 26, 2020 09:36

The International Year of the Child issues is one of my areas of collection.

What I came across until now usually had the name 'Int. Year of the Child 'and as series' 1979 International Year of the Child'.

Now I see the FDC in Luxembourg where the name was changed to 'Int. Year of the Child 'and the series name after' 1979 International Year of the Child '. However, some time later the name and series were changed back to 'Year of the Child' and '1979 Special Stamps'. Well, every stamp is special :)

Now there are theme series 'Year of the child' within a country (initiative of the local postal authority), but this is an item belonging to the international series (more than 200 countries postage stamps, FDC and Maximum cards), initiative of UNICEF .

Before an ignorant changes the item with the pseudo-wise message 'you can do that yourself': don't just change it back! There must be a reason for that adjustment and I want to find out. Changes are not just approved. Of course I can change this myself, but after that someone changes it back to zero, etc ... that way you create a lot of efficiency work with negative effectiveness (yo-yo work).

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December 26, 2020 11:46

Jojo, can be prevented by freezing items, ie certain fields can no longer be changed by users.

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The more items you freeze, the more the wiki principle disappears and the more pb the administrators will get from me to improve everything. Not really less work.
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December 26, 2020 13:07

You only freeze if the item is 100% OK.

And if it isn't, just send an email .....

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December 26, 2020 13:18

No, the item really does not need to be frozen, even if it is winter. Maybe the ability to change for certain users freezes lol, but that's a different story.

I'd just like to know why the name is changed from here to there, then back to here. There must be a reason, I don't think the name, and the series name, is just being changed back and forth for fun.

And above all, we are on a wiki: what I think is correct I can put in it. Yes. But it must make sense. The item has already had that name a number of times and it is being changed over and over again. You can keep going like this. There must be a good reason for it. And that reason might be important enough to post in detail (concisely) so that future sweat can be avoided.

I recently read an (older) discussion on the forum in which a good proposal: 'replace an unworthy photo with a black area on an item for sale' was knocked out. Don't hold back: imagine that a member will walk because of it ... Well, I rather think that a member will walk because his - justified - changes are always undone by someone who only wants an item to his liking with horse glasses on manipulate (different name, different serial designation, or want to move to a place that is ingrained in its head). You can judge for yourself who you want to see walking: someone who brings the quality down, someone who makes improvements with heart and soul (and very thoughtful), or someone who does not impart anything positive (neither in word nor in deed) but the catalog for his / her exclusive use. I know who I would let go :)

Or put differently: who will eventually cause the most inconvenience to the diligent workers (the administrators). I also know the answer to that.

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December 26, 2020 13:23

The additional question is also: now I already have several dozen items' Int. year of the Child 'added to LD. Always making sure that the naming name and series is applied consistently. Maybe I should put more variety into it if that's not important? For variation I don't turn my hand :)

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December 26, 2020 14:11

What sometimes bother stamp collectors are the different paper catalogs that one uses, which makes one think it has that name, and the other vice versa.

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December 26, 2020 14:27

Facerco,

Somewhere I had already suggested something about those catalogs. It is normal that a specialized catalog is preferred somewhere in every country. At the time I had more or less proposed to replace NVPH with 'Land-own catalog'. Maybe to set or mention somewhere on the info page of that country.

You will not find Spanish (and ditto areas) stamps or philatelic things in NVPH. Sin of the field. Spaniards have Edifil.
You won't find Belgian, Congolese, Burundian and Rwandan philately in NVPH either. However, in the OBP. France is going flat for Yvert. You can please Italians with Unificato. Indonesia, Zonnebloem makes the 'official' catalog for that (or Dai Nippon for the real specialist work). Portugal is a fan of Afinsa-Mundifil. And so you can go on.
The field could thus be optimally used, and the catalog number could be searched by foreign customers of LD.

Now it is listed in details, with the type of catalog and notation according to personal preference. In Belgium, for example, one uses an OBP, the other COB. Too bad right? It's an opportunity.

But this aside from the topic of this topic :)

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December 26, 2020 14:36

What does matter is the name. In the four languages provided for the title (name) of the item. And that has to be a bit uniform. There is something about it, very briefly, in the manual. And that is quite a step.

Normally, if a stamp from a series is added and approved (review is that called?), the next one to add a stamp from the same series should respect that name. However, an improvement is possible, but it must be applied everywhere in the same series.

For Int. year of the Child I also first looked carefully at what was already present at LD. And I predominantly liked that designation. And I follow them. Of course I can think of a nicer name, or a seemingly more intellectual-sounding fun, or a shorter one (IYC is the official name assigned to the series by the publisher himself). But it must be clear to everyone, fit into the gallery (hence internationally abbreviated, so that there is something more to see) and consistently applied in the total series (stamp issues, issues FDCs, stamp sheets and maximum cards issued). It should not be like in the books, but uniform.

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December 26, 2020 15:11

Such references to external numbers are nice, of course, but in 10 years' time no one will be using paper catalogs, with the exception of perhaps a few very specialized ones.

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December 26, 2020 16:57

Hello Comic Pins,

I do not (completely) agree with that. Just a few months ago, the press said:

This year, the Sales Award recognizes excellent sales results in the bookshop and publishing houses for the 17th time. Schwaneberger Verlag, publisher of the well-known MICHEL reference books, receives this year's award in the innovation category for its customer-oriented new products and their strategic orientation.

That seems far from 'dying after death'. Actually, the current Corona condition has boosted collecting. And what do you need as a collector ... Even the prices of the lottery tickets are no longer comparable to a year ago. The price of stamps was what a fool would give. Now a general madness has started.

I estimate that about 75% of the data used to place an item on LD originates from an (mainly paper) official, or large general, catalog. The other items are those without date, without series name, without catalog reference, without perforation indication, without watermark indication, and often with a 'crooked sink' as a graphic representation. The photo is simply a 'mandatory' field. As long as there is something on it.

But that's just my view of things. I don't have a crystal ball, but I am curious (if we are still in between) what the situation will be in 10 years.

The number (catalog number) is one of the most important data in a (trade) transaction: the sale / purchase. Buyers want to be sure that it is that specific stamp they are getting (43xtyII, not 43xpzI). Sellers should do everything they can to advertise their wares as just that piece of paper a buyer is looking for. If those large catalogs, Michel, Yvert, and the specific (official) country catalogs are no longer there ... would an LD number like eg 8363933 be clear to everyone what it is about? I don't see any items for sale on ebay that refer to an LD number. It can happen quickly, of course, Bredero said, a long time ago, but I still hold on to my paper books as a philatelic gospel. If the newest products (eg electronic Michel) are a bit better, it might be such a non-paper version. On a Wiki, the data is sometimes tricked: anyone can change it to their own advantage, and change it back afterwards. Anyone can generate a new number to sell something. The fact that it later disappears as 'DOUBLURE' will be a pain to the seller. Sold is sold. And then you no longer even have to search in a 'history', because the item is no longer there (so no history). On the other hand: an OBP catalog number refers to a single single and unique product. Undeniably. What is BL77 today is still allowed.

No, I don't see those catalogs disappearing. But ... also this aside. Of course.

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Anyone can generate a new number to sell something. The fact that it later disappears as 'DOUBLURE' will be a pain to the seller. Sold is sold. And then you don't even have to search in a 'history' anymore, because the item is no longer there (so no history)

What you describe above is not entirely correct. An item that is reported as a duplicate is merged with the correct item. In other words, all persons who are "attached to the duplication" are transferred to the correct item. So nobody (including the seller) loses anything.

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December 26, 2020 18:20

Indeed French, but after someone 'discovers' that it is a duplication, and makes the effort to put it in the name. It can take years to get DOUBLURE in the name.

I notice that some don't even make that effort (anymore), and proclaim 'let it pass'.

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December 26, 2020 20:06

Raoul

I recently read an (older) discussion on the forum in which a good proposal: 'replace an unworthy photo with a black area on an item for sale' was knocked out. Do not hold back: imagine that a member will walk because of it ...

It was too good today to see that the person made good entries today. All black photos are gone and broadened.

So sometimes being a little sharp is nothing wrong with that.

Addressing each other doesn't hurt at all. With respect. This improves the catalog and we all enjoy it.

Today again people addressed the input. This again achieved a positive result.

This is also possible

Micho, a collector

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December 26, 2020 20:42

Indeed Micho. That's another way of doing it. And most important of all you also mention: enjoy it. I can't have fun :)

Btw, spontaneously getting a message, as a newcomer from an experienced co-collector (on LD) saying 'well done', then my day is all right. Should not be more. Thank you for that (times 2). Enjoy it yourself and find out that someone else can enjoy it too.

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December 27, 2020 11:16

"gatekeepers function"

I think everyone should be critical of the input, including each other, to prevent the catalog from dropping in level.

But the numbers for stamps are very large. Then things always slip through.

I made the biggest mistake here myself and then I can also raise it.

For example: number 8188583.

I probably encountered an error while scanning c q photo.

That can happen.

The import will take place on August 22, 2020 and will be approved by September 16, 2020. Clearly, the country is wrong. But still an approval?

After approval, the country will be changed and the description "" incorrect input ""

This is also approved.

In the meantime, we arrived in December 2020 and the object is still in the system?

Upon inquiry it appears that the first administrator has no authority to delete an object?

Strange: This is only reserved for Daan?

As a "" gatekeeper "", an administrator should be given more authority.

Then this object was not present for months.

I can wait for it to ever be removed. But it is an unnecessary contamination of the file. But reporting is also no longer allowed.

I think administrators should discuss this. "" EXTENSION OF COMPETENCE as "" gatekeeper "".

Working together on a better catalog. :)

Micho, a collector

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Actually off-topic, but I can't seem to repeat it enough: to my knowledge there are two standard ways to signal errors "duplicate xxxxxx" or "wrong rubric", administrators can then view this. "Wrong entry", what is that again?
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December 27, 2020 13:02

It is not incorrect input here, but it is the repeated incorrect adjustment of correct corrections. A reason to give up (to run) and focus more on ebay, delcampe and marketplace. The point of view of the person who well-intentioned, repeatedly and correctly passes on the same adjustments.

Whether the series name should be a, b, c or hopdepup, it doesn't matter that much. Tastes differ. But in an international series covering more than 200 countries (and years, but mostly 1979) there must be uniformity. If someone wants a different series name by giving one another name, he must be honest enough to assign the other 200 that series name as well. Otherwise LD is nice to look at pictures but inconvenient to manage your collection (collection area). For picture viewers there are other sites, and books, for that. I still have some lying around here with fire trucks, from the time when the little one wanted to become a firefighter Sam as a toddler.

Elsewhere I found a series of 'YYYY WWF' from FDCs (also one of my collection areas). One had a different series name. I saw a valid change refused 4 times in a row (a lot of red). Now I have made an attempt. Why successfully denied? To deliberately leave one item - from the same series of 4 - with a different series name? I do not get it. Whoever tried to make amends saw his heartfelt effort rejected 4 times in a row. You are going to walk for that, right?

The situation as in the example above is also excellent for collecting duplicates. You will find one of the 4 FDCs, click on the series name, filter by country ... 3 pieces to be seen. Then quickly add the fourth. Another enrichment for LD with a new item (whether or not for sale). After a while a lot of work for others: identifying duplicates, changing data, merging the items ... Job security.

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I wasn't talking about changing it repeatedly. I responded to @Micho's example and in the meantime have given all "incorrect entries" in the entire catalog (there were several) the correct default name again. But even here with the "big chaste" there is job security for months or years.
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December 27, 2020 14:04

Raoul, I assure you that lynx will be rejected, because you are about 180 centuries off ;-)

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December 27, 2020 14:26

user-1713548 and / or Jummeke

First of all. It is administrators who have done this. So ....

Changing the duplication is: DOUBLURE OF 8188583, then tab the translation and the correct language change.

But that's not what the message is about.

If you read carefully, I would like to indicate that a "gatekeeper" is given more authority and can therefore act immediately.

Now three administrators are working on it. Time can be saved and that is and has been the purpose of the story.

Raoul also indicates that time is being wasted. Administrators are already so busy and are falling behind.

Micho, a collector

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Made a typo somewhere? I have already added and changed so many things today that I can't find it anymore ... do you still have the number?

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P.S. I sometimes find it unfortunate that we don't have a "Talk" tab for the items here, like on Wikipedia. Then all considerations for approving or rejecting certain information would be publicly available.

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lol, one zero too many ... my fingers are getting too fat :)

But you do prove that you are up to speed, Peter.

So actually had been rejected 6 times in a row to place in the appropriate series. 6 times the same valid change by the same member each time, within a few months. Exactly a yes-no game.

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Indeed French, but after someone 'discovers' that it is a duplication, and makes the effort to put it in the name. It can take years to get DOUBLURE in the name.

I notice that some don't even make that effort (anymore), and proclaim 'let it pass'.

Those people are indeed there, but it is not that easy to recognize duplications (I am speaking from the music angle here), so I understand that not everyone does that. In addition, it takes administrators quite a bit of time to compare and assess the two items.

Buying something just based on a few images is of course quite risky. something to think about when it comes to a somewhat larger amount.

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