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Subject: Rail Stamps Belgium from 1996, where do they actually belong?

For those interested, below some background information and a situation sketch (AsIs) on LD.

This may be specific to Belgium. Railway stamps were issued and were once postage valid. From a certain date (sometime before the turn of the century, in 1996) it was decided that these were no longer valid, but that the railway authorities were allowed to continue to produce issues.

The Official Belgian Stamp Catalog as well as the Michel and Yvert catalogs continued to include those items (not Scott, I don't know SG).
DAVO and Lindner (Shaubeck I don't know) also continued to provide the pages to accommodate them. Luxury and Standard versions. Commerce remains commerce.
And I suspect every collector of Belgian stamps, anywhere in the world, continued to collect them. Nobody likes to have 'empty holes' in their collection.
The items contain the big B in an oval (Belgium / Belgique) and a specific (sosm high) value. They are heavily traded for very high amounts. After all, they are not in a standard stamp subscription, you have to be able to 'get' them. Via the Philatelic office of the Belgian Post, or ... (among others) via LD :) I have already seen them sold far above the value stated on the stamps (which is in fact no postage value).

Now on LD, after 2000, I find a number of them back in Belgium. And also a number in Fantasyland. There are even duplicates. The same item in both departments ... But the latter seems normal to me: you are looking in Belgium ... you cannot find it ... you add it. I had almost started on it (although, after the 'erinnophilia' affair I will not add another one so soon ... the 'editor' has since reacted ...).
Perhaps no one will be so crazy about adding directly to Fantasyland lol And search there ...

Strange but true in Belgium, not a single railway stamp after 1996 has the use type 'Railway'. In Fantasyland they all have usage type 'Railway'. Clear: an active editor will have selected the one in Belgium with 'Spoorweg', one day, and dumped it en masse into the black hole. After that, a number of unsuspecting collectors (and of course also sellers) will have determined: 'Tiens, that's not there yet' ...

Question: what should be done with it?

My view on this, insofar as it is appreciated, is that a collector wants to search and find his collection of a specific country in one section (country) to manage. They are mentioned in the large catalogs, and they are intrinsically part of the collection area Belgium. Obviously a collector wants them in one area together with the other stamps, sheets, unaccepted designs, Erinnophilia, FDC, FDS, Maximum Cards, Blueprints ...
I think a seller will also prefer the country. You don't do business in Fantasyland. It is not so easy to find something in that.

Another vision is of course also possible. As long as we remain consistent?

short:
AsIs = spread over Belgium and Fantasyland, resulting in duplications.
ToBe = in one place without duplication.

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They can all return to Belgium, where they were originally placed.

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November 08, 2020 22:19

Then there are doubles in it, and then I risk an 'annoyed' email again lol

But I can take some. Is for the good cause.

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1. All (found) railway stamps in Belgium from 1996 onwards were fished up from F and placed back in B.
2. The railway stamps already present in B (added well-intentioned due to lack of B, or not banned to F due to other usage type) assigned the usage type 'Railway'.
3. Doubles marked with 'DOUBLURE of nnnnnnnn', only if I am sure.

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Today I created the type Railway vignettes.

https://www.lastdodo.nl/nl/areas/4957481-spoorwegvignet

This includes the usage type 'Without postage'. After all, you cannot use it for franking.

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Was changing some (up to 2000), and that's how the 'series' of duplicates come into the picture.

One is an 'incomplete' duplicate (incomplete series): 7376955 (duplicate - 1 stamp of 1239349)

How do I set the title of such a case so that it will be deleted after a while?

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January 18, 2021 20:45

1239349 is wrong. The series consists of 3 stamps.

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@ Postmaster

Is how you look at it ...

The series consists of 3 stamps (OBP TRV14 to TRV16) and 1 block (serrated, TRVBL2) containing one stamp (TRV17). 1239349 lists the 4 stamps (TRV14 to TRV17).

So I'm not sure whether LD should contain the series with 3 or 4 stamps. As the railway stickers were issued in Belgium after 1995, there is no use of postage to rely on. Whether that stamp (separately stated with catalog number in OBP) may or should not be included in the 'series' ... In any case, one is too much.

Then 1239349 should be removed. But ... it has a special origin (C-A-R) and should not be left (yet?) I thought. In short: I don't remember them.

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January 19, 2021 00:37

The items of the Type "Series" are aberrations that will eventually have to disappear from the database anyway. Since programmers are now working on the catalog every day, it doesn't have to take ten years anymore

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@Bookstore

Would also be about the first 'kind' that would go out with my 'personal default filter' (see other thread) :)

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