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January 24, 2018 21:49

Good day everyone

A question U.N. frank stamps on Envelope where can I place them?

For example

my thanks

Loan

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January 24, 2018 23:16

Here... Doesn't matter what they're on...

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January 24, 2018 23:38

I rather think of Franking stamp .

There are also some under the theme Frankeerstempels , but that doesn't seem like that correct.

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January 24, 2018 23:44

Shouldn't those two just be put together? If not, someone really has to explain the difference to me.

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January 25, 2018 01:13

@ Arco

Thank you for the quick answer but I think only Stamps with a legible place name. eg railway The Hague-Groningen you can save all place names there or from all post offices that had their own stamp and that are now gone

@ Boekenmagazijn

Thank you too think that's the right thing I had already looked at arco's but no wrong

Go and put them under yours

Thank you Gentlemen

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January 25, 2018 01:15

Oh yeah and the other ones that Book Warehouse have is a stamp instead of a seal

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January 25, 2018 19:32

"Postage stamp" and "Postage stamp" should definitely be merged: the first theme is the singular of the second but the content and meaning remain the same.

However, the problem is that the items that were entered in both themes not all correspond to these themes.

Franking stamp should be taken literally in my opinion: it concerns the stamp that is placed for franking.

Other ways of franking such as franking machines , the application of manual letters or vignettes etc. do not fall under the definition "franking stamp", nor the affixing of stamps that do not serve for franking,

Either the theme "Franking stamp (s)" is retained. or they use a more general theme such as "Postage" or the like.

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January 25, 2018 20:00

Let's limit ourselves to the Objects first.

In my opinion there is no difference between the current Postmarks and Franking Stamps. It's about stamps on something: a seal, an envelope, a white sheet ... doesn't matter; it's about the ink. I would therefore like to merge them into Franking or Postmarking. Stamping is the ink, stamp is the thing you use to stamp.

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January 25, 2018 20:15

Postmarks might seem like the best name.

It refers just as much to franking stamps as to other stamps such as 6459857

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January 25, 2018 22:34

For me it all belongs under Stamps

To it is another form of seal (replace of)

And stamps are also a form of payment to send a letter

Franking seal stamp is the successor of Perfin

so perfin also under the stamps.

Payment to send something

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  • January 25, 2018 22:41
January 25, 2018 22:41

Years ago, the stamp administrators decided to transfer the postmarks and the perfin stamps to Other.

Do the reverse movement now?

see also the forum "Perfins aren't apparently postage stamps"

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January 26, 2018 01:14

One stamp is not the other.

A franking stamp is intended as a replacement for a stamp and has a (one-off) franking value. A postmark is intended to destroy the franking value (of a stamp).

And of course it's about stamping , but that's semantics.

"Postage Stamp" and "Postage Stamps" should definitely be merged

The first in my example is a Kind, the second a Theme. The former is correct, because it is about its function, the latter is certainly not correct, because the theme is mail (shipping).

For me it all belongs under Stamps

Although it all falls under Philately, the catalog is no longer thematic and a stamp is not a seal. I don't want to comment on perfins.

I think it is clearer for the catalog if you collect all types of stamps (as Arco sees them) under Object : Stamp impression.

This includes the Types:

  • Franking (machine) stamp
  • Postmark (“cancellation” in English, as opposed to the “postage stamp” it is on)
  • Date stamp
  • Name stamp
  • Signature stamp
  • Office stamp (urgent, received, sent, available for inspection, approved, etc.)
  • Figure stamp
  • Ex-libris stamp
  • Advertising stamp
  • Company stamp (e.g. of the Theme: Comic Shops)
  • etc.

All those types can therefore be used with the Object: Stamp (the thing with which the print can be made).

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January 26, 2018 17:32

@Book warehouse

Great explanation!

With the following curious addition:

van Dale's Large Dictionary states:

"Stamp (masculine):...

2. tool or implement in the bottom of which a figure or figures are carved, which are used to stamp, make impressions..."

So the stamp, the postmark, the date stamp, etc...

"Stamp (neuter): ...

imprint of a tool mentioned above, which is created by the stamping: the stamp...

So the stamp on the stamp (applied by the stamp)

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