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November 02, 2017 16:14

Bertvaneijk asked the following question:

I have another question: At catawikinr: 6746449 from indonesia it says: Emblem pos indonesia lying down, head vertically to the right. I don't see any emblem at all, nor any headline. This happens several times by the way.

Can someone explain to me what this means ??

In response to your question about the POS Indonesia emblem on the stamps of Indonesia, the following. First of all, I refer you to the following site on the Internet:
http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/indonesia/indo_1979.htm

It says:
Apart from the perforation was in Indonesia already looked at the gloss of the paper and the direction of the security emblem on the image side. The "security emblem" is the pentagon containing a globe and a bird, and is used from the beginning of 1985 in an additional print run on the image side of the stamps. With MNH material this emblem is hardly visible except when looking at the stamp with oblique light. The emblem under the UV lamp is easier to see, with the emblem generally fluorescing orange. Sometimes the fluorescence, with soaked material, is almost negligible. On the other hand, soaked material often provides a smudged yellowish emblem on both the image side and the gum side. The pentagons are oriented alternately, however always with the long axis of the bird in the same direction. This direction normally corresponds to the paper and print direction. However, with these Pelita stamps it was discovered in Indonesia that the bird direction could also be transverse to them. This indicates that [at least] two different cylinders have been used for the emblem.

So:
- The emblem can be found from 1985.
- The first stamps with emblem are from the Snellius expedition ( 1922685 )
- The emblem is on the image side.
- The emblem is only clearly visible under a UV lamp
- The emblem is printed in an additional print run.
- The emblem is a security feature against counterfeiting, as with banknotes
- The emblem consists of a pentagon with bird and globe.
- The head points to the right (beak on the right)
- The emblems alternate, more or less in rows.
- The beak direction is either horizontal or vertical.
- Sometimes the printer makes a mistake and the head points to the left. Actually a printing error.
- In 1995 a new version was released. ( 1923673 )
- From then on, the birds are in diamond shape and provided with the text POS Indonesia. The pentagram has disappeared.

- Paper with fluorescent fibers has been used since 1987 ( 1922815 )

Second images are added for clarity with the numbers:

5509733 , 5509737 , 5735115 and 5735127

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November 02, 2017 17:29

@az60

Solid explanation!

If necessary, can you make a background page of the above text for the items that qualify for this?

The explanation on a background page is in my opinion directly related to the items involved in contrast to the current text on the forum which will be much harder to find later on.

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November 02, 2017 21:32

Thank you.

I agree that this information belongs on the background page. In this specific case, it should work. In many cases not, because there are also series with the same name in other countries. The background information will then be added to several countries. When I have time again, I will add background information to various Indonesian series.

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November 02, 2017 21:42

That's a smart comment from az60. Maarrrrr ... I would actually suggest that you only create Series background pages that have a three-letter country code in brackets behind them. And so first have that code added to such a Series. Nobody is bothered by that. Is that what?

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November 02, 2017 22:16

Can anyone add that country code to a series name?

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November 03, 2017 03:38

There is still the unsolved and annoying problem of the items entered by collect-a-rom and the others.

The series name of items entered by collect-a-rom can only be changed by an administrator , the series name of the other items can be changed by anyone.

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November 03, 2017 09:50

You are right about that too. But there is probably always an administrator who is willing to help if it happens once.

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November 03, 2017 16:28

I am always happy to help, but solving the problem would be easier.

What are the outlook on this?

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November 03, 2017 16:42

A lot of thought has gone into it, but it also has drawbacks. And we don't have a good solution for those drawbacks yet.

Priority now really lies with physically moving to other servers. A lot has been done about this, but we are far from done.

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November 04, 2017 14:42

@az and all

Please ignore my idea to work with country codes behind Arrays. Like Series are merged by default and then we lose the Background page and the time and effort put into it.

When splitting the Series, we also lose the unique overview where you can see at once which countries all issued postage stamps around - let's name it - the Olympic Games of 1972. No catalog currently resembles us. , so we don't want to lose that feature.

Let's think a little more ...

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November 05, 2017 00:59

You could give the stamps the Theme "POS Indonesia" and link the background page to it. That may not be what the field is actually intended for, but themes are used for everything and are filled in inconsistently or not.

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November 05, 2017 01:18

@ Arco, Got it.

I think Catawiki has good search functions. Indeed one of its strengths.

But to continue brainstorming on the example of the 1972 Olympics mentioned, I don't think many people want to create an overview through a series. I myself would choose to go to the Olympic Games theme and then select the year 1972. Or via geographic theme Munich and then 1972. Or even better simply via the search function on the start page with 1972 Olympic Games Munich. Because with the 1972 Olympic Games - Munich series you miss in the overview, for example:

6475605 , 1969 Olympic Games - Munich , 1970 Olympic games - munich , 1971 Olympic games - munchen , 3346203 , 2542123 , 1972 Olympic medalists , 1972 Olympic Games , etc.

I think the good search options will remain, but maybe I am overlooking things?

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November 05, 2017 02:22

To come back to the background page:

The page should be linked to the paper type "Paper with fluorescent fibers".

Indonesia appears to be about the only country with this kind of paper.

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November 05, 2017 14:37

Only info about the paper with fibers. The emblem is separate from this. It is not a watermark. Actually it is a kind of print, but one that can only be read properly with a UV lamp. The background page with specific information seems to be the best place to me, also because there are a number of other aspects that play a role within the aforementioned example series that make the series even more complex. The background page of a series should contain all information about a series. The long-running series are the most relevant because they reflect the changes at the printer. In addition, there could be a short version with all the changes at the printers of the stamps of Indonesia on the background page of the country itself. All on the program. But yes, time is still the lack.

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