Stamps/Difference catalog value and market value16 messages

Is it normal for there to be a very large difference between the catalog value and the market value of stamps? I understand that the catalog value assumes that someone is very interested in the stamp at that moment, but I do not understand that the difference can sometimes be x1000. Example: I have a copy of the green seal of the Rijksadelaar from 1924 (see: 2946549 ). According to the catalog, the canceled stamp is worth 5,000 EURO, but bids are around 5-10 EURO. My stamp is in good condition (all teeth in order, no damage to the stamp).

So what's the point of a catalog value?

In your example, the difference is ridiculously large, yes. I have no understanding of the German empire and therefore cannot say anything about it.

In general: often the catalog value is indeed 3.4 or 5 times the value at which the stamps are offered on cw. I pay attention to the management (of the countries I manage), and adjust the values a bit downwards if there is a lot and / or cheaper.

if there is a lot of demand for I sometimes adjust a stamp and no offer upwards.

Sometimes the value of another catalog is also noted literally when one enters stamps, which is nicely resolved after adjustment.

greetings,

Zijn de cataloguswaarden dan nog wel in lijn met de werkelijkheid want nu heb je:

- cataloguswaarde: 1.000

- marktwaarde: 1

In de toekomst kunnen deze waarden nog groter scheef staan:

- cataloguswaarde: 100.000

- marktwaarde: 10

Cataloguswaarden staan niet in lijn met de werkelijkheid als het zo is en ik heb schrik dat het erger gaat worden als dit blijft. Ik denk dat er ergens een correctie nodig is; ofwel een aanpassing van de cataloguswaarden ofwel de marktwaarden.

Are the catalog values still in line with reality, because now you have:

- catalog value: 1,000

- market value: 1

In the future, these values may be even more skewed:

- catalog value: 100,000

- market value: 10

Catalog values are not in line with reality if they are and I fear it will get worse if this continues. I think a correction is needed somewhere; either an adjustment of the catalog values or the market values.

If you encounter such extreme cases, you can write down the catawikin numbers and write to an administrator.

then he can adjust them if necessary.

If the original importer of the value of a stamp wants to count himself rich, that person can deposit a value of 100,000 EURO, but the chance that this will be adjusted / corrected is small I suppose. It might be an idea to also mention when the value was entered (year) and a short motivation when entering the value. Then there is an explanation of why the value is the way it is. Also, you cannot see who entered the value ... you can at least address that person when viewing a stamp.

I think two stamps are mixed up here. The notes say it is Mi356Y with landscape watermark 'Waffeln'. The expensive brother of Mi356X with standing watermark 'Waffeln'. Check the watermark I would say.

@yakamoz84
Ook kun je niet zien wie de waarde heeft ingevoerd.

Je kunt in de historie zien wie het item + waarde heeft ingevoerd.
Ook is te zien welke Beheerder dit heeft goedgekeurd.

Indien er eventueel later een prijssuggestie wordt gedaan, kun je ook zien welke Beheerder dit dan heeft goedgekeurd.

@yakamoz84
You also cannot see who entered the value.

You can see in the history who entered the item + value.
You can also see which Administrator has approved this.

If a price suggestion is made later, you can also see which Administrator has approved this.

There has been a lot of discussion about it, I miss all the point of a (wrong, old, outdated, exaggerated and make up the rest even) catalog value.

auction site, that is the best reference.

for the small part which is really rare and expensive, there are appraisers.

ps: what do you do with this list? !?!

Yakamoz84,

I have several banana boxes full of stamps according to the catalog 20 cents each, if I believed the catalog I would be several times a millionaire (seriously) if I go to an auction with it I get at most 2 meijers for it :) 10,000 x lower than the catalog value, A friend of mine has 5,000 FDCs (4 different ones) are a knaak according to the catalog = € 12,500 at an auction for € 30, -, I think he should give money to the idiot who takes them :)

Also read this article

http://www.postkoets.nl/artikelen/belegging.html

I am a France collector myself and of course I follow the customs that are customary in French philately. List prices are not seen as an indication of monetary values, but as indications of more or less rarity. The best known is the cotation Pothion which runs from 1 (easy to find) to 39 (very rare to unique). Each number has a list price in euros - is regularly updated - but this says nothing about the actual market value. Other coefficients can be found in Caroll Chase, E. de Beaufond, P. Boner and Wilhelm Hofinger. It is therefore very possible that a lot that scores high in the rarity list will yield much less financially because there is little demand in the market for it. The reverse is of course also possible: just think of the Dutch Rembrandt stamps 1957 or the half cows from the 1980s. in the regular N PH V catalog. The prices mentioned there give an indication of the degree of rarity. Then consult the most recent proceeds from auction houses such as van Dieten, van Lokven or Rietdijk (always available on the Internet as a pdf) but also Delcampe or Caiwiki. For France collectors: CERES or ROUMET HISTOIRE POSTALE in Paris or LUGDUNUM PHILATELIE in Lyon. Thanks to the same internet, you are just as well informed as a professional trader and you can, for example, calculate how much money you need to spend in order to win a specific lot at the next auction. You don't even need to have the most recent catalog to get a set pricing. The Internet is your best business partner here! To measure is to know, they say in Delft.

Caulaincouirt

Value stamps.

I myself often check Postbeeld.nl (one of the larger online providers) to see what they ask for the same stamp, and then I know what is common online, then go there often below because I am not a professional company.

Unfortunately they do not have everything and then it is sometimes purely based on feeling and experience.

Mijn kort commentaar (helaas gemeenplaatsen):

-Meten is weten

-Kennis is macht

Het is denk ik erg belangrijk om op het filatelistisch deelgebied dat U bestrijkt een  goed vakbibliotheekje aan te leggen. Dat hoeven helemaal niet de meest recente uitgaven te zijn. Ik gebruik zelf met veel profijt een paar catalogi uit 1956 en1996 ! Wat zeldzaam was in in 1956 is het ook in 2017, tenzij lepe vervalsers er wat extra items bij gefabriceerd hebben. Gelukkig is dat soort filatelistische van Meegerens nogal dun gezaaid en zijn er genoeg instanties die ze kunnen ontmaskeren.

Veel hangt ook af van de kwaliteit van uw verkoper. Ik ben zelf oa klant bij Roumet Histoire Postale in Parijs. Als koper van een van hun kavels leveren ze me er gratis een genummerd certifcaat met foto bij waarin een erkend keurmeester verklaart dat het stuk in kwestie authentiek is. Ach, 100% zekerheid vind je in dit leven maar  voor een paar bepaalde zaken..  Ik ben zelf met 98 % al dik tevreden waar het de filatelie betreft !

t

My short comment (unfortunately platitudes):

-Measuring is knowing

-Knowledge is power

I think it is very important to build up a good specialist library in the philatelic subfield that you cover. They don't have to be the most recent releases at all. I myself use a few catalogs from 1956 and 1996 to great advantage! What was rare in 1956 is also rare in 2017, unless clever counterfeiters have fabricated some extra items. Fortunately, that kind of philatelic van Meegerens is rather rare and there are enough agencies that can expose them.

A lot also depends on the quality of your seller. I myself am a customer of Roumet Histoire Postale in Paris. As a buyer of one of their lots, they provide me with a numbered certificate with photo, free of charge, in which a recognized inspector declares that the item in question is authentic. Well, you only find 100% certainty in this life for a few certain things.. I am already very satisfied with 98% when it comes to philately!

t

A ps

If collectors among you are interested in the coefficient Pothion, I can reproduce it for you on this site. In that case, let me know here.

Caulaincourt

Thank you Calaincourt, for the tools you give to look up the values yourself. That is useful information for laymen (like me).

fre3ke

You do get some information through Catawiki and administrators, collectors. It remains a pity that messages have been deleted. That is not a calling card for Catawiki. A transfer of knowledge should also take place at Catawiki. That makes Catawiki strong and attractive.