Stamps/postage stamps unused40 messages

Dear administrators, where do people put the unused stamps without gum and without cancellation.

I received a complaint about a 0.04 cent stamp, because there was no original gum on it, and was therefore not an MH type, so it was used and not unused. even though there was no cancellation on it.

it was about this 2077829 stamp.

since I only have the possibility to place 3 types; MNH, mint hinged and canceled, so according to the person it appears that I cannot actually sell this stamp.

it should therefore be canceled or used according to sir.

so where are the people like this kind of stamps.?

unused, because if it has a stamp on it, then canceled and if the original gum is still attached and not stamped, then MNH, you don't have more choices.

Oh yes and if the original gum on it and there is adhesive residue, then unused.

Old discussion, never agreed: used / unstamped

yes that's right, but you will only have such a customer, who just assumes that unused must be a stamp with original gum and then a neat patch, and calls this an HM version, and that too actually expected to receive it for 0.04 cents.

and then indicates that he is deeply disappointed because there is no gum on it.

an old discussion, which then got resolved anyway after all, the customer is right that unused original with gum / part should be gum and sticky.

maybe there should just be a link "used"

[sorry, mistake]

If you click on the conditions, there is no condition for your stamp. You could have indicated it with your notes.

MNH

Original eraser in good condition without adhesive (remnant). For FDC's we use this condition "MNH" for blank envelopes (also no erased address) in impeccable condition.

Unused

Original eraser with a patch (remnant)

Stamped

Stamped copy in good condition. For FDCs we use this condition "stamped" for described envelopes.

@Fazerco, ik zie in de hele catalogus maar enkele zegels staan die aangeboden worden, waarbij de verzamelaars/verkopers de vermelding hebben gemaakt dat het met originele gom is en keurige plakker. en er dan misschien ook vanuit gaan dat dan de rest wat aangeboden wordt blijkbaar zonder gom is.

maar wat is nu waar volgens jou, jij denkt feitelijk dat alle zegels die ongebruikt aangeboden worden dus met originele gom en plakker is., en de personen die dit extra vermelden, daarvan is het zinloos.?

maar de vraag was, wat doen mensen met ongebruikte zegels zonder gom, en waar kunnen deze mensen die zegels kwijt.

ik kan bij de notitie wel vermelden dat er geen gom op zit, maar eerlijk gezegt denk ik dat niemand dat vermeld, en juist daarom er maar enkele zijn die vermelden dat hun zegel met originele gom is en keurig plakker.

de vermelding van gebruikt zonder gom had opgenomen moeten zijn vanaf het begin.

immers franse en duitse verzamelaars verzamelen heel anders als nederlanders blijkbaar, hier wordt alles op een hoop gegooid of ongebruikt wordt gebruikt om alles op een hoop te gooien.

je kunt namelijk alleen maar door extra vermelden dat een zegel zonder gom is bij notities, terwijl ik nu juist zie dat sommige verkopers vermelding doen dat hun zegel juist met gom is bij ongebruikt. ondanks dat ongebruikt juist alleen maar voor ongebruikt met gom zou moeten zijn. waar dan ook sommige verzamelaars vanuit gaan.

@Fazerco, I only see a few stamps in the entire catalog that are offered, where the collectors/sellers have stated that it comes with original gum and a neat sticker. and then perhaps also assume that the rest of what is offered is apparently without gum.

but what is true according to you, you actually think that all stamps that are offered unused are with original gum and adhesive, and the people who mention this extra, it is meaningless.?

but the question was, what do people do with unused stamps without gum, and where can these people dispose of those stamps.

I can mention with the note that there is no gum on it, but to be honest I don't think anyone mentions that, and that is precisely why there are only a few who state that their stamp is with original gum and neatly pasted.

the mention of used without gum should have been included from the start.

After all, French and German collectors collect very differently from the Dutch apparently, here everything is thrown together or unused is used to throw everything together.

because you can only mention that a stamp is without gum with notes, while I see that some sellers mention that their stamp is with gum when unused. even though unused should just be for unused with gum. which some collectors assume.

You can see it that way.

A new user signs up, looks at the terms and conditions and trusts that they are offered that way. I no longer buy on CW.

Instead of offering them, you could have entered the forum first and started the discussion.

That this has been in between from the beginning. I agree with you, but yes ....

An old discussion (2011) about which there was a clear opinion. Nothing has been done with this discussion. That is the usual problem of the cw forum. A lot of talking but no decisions are made and nothing is recorded in instructions.

Micho Rooseboom, a collector

It is someone in France, and to return such a stamp of 0.04 cents does not seem like an option to me, after all then I have to pay 1.19, it was not about the 0.04 cents, he was just disappointed that there was no gum sat on. I would say that I could hand him that 0.04 to him, but as a customer I will never see it again.

In fact, he is saying that all unused stamps without gum are worth nothing to him, and if he orders an unused stamp, it should also have gum on it.

for the latter that is correct, but where do I leave the unused stamps without gum on CW, it should be listed under the note of the stamp you are selling.

this is at odds with the people who correctly state with their unused stamps that their stamp has gum and adhesive, and also give the impression that they are assuming it or think that the rest of what is offered by other people has no gum.

unused should therefore be some sort of seal (Stamps with gum), but there should still be a possibility for unused stamps without gum to be housed somewhere.

The description of "" unused "" should be broader than all problems have been solved. This was also addressed in 2011. But done nothing with it.

Micho, that's not possible, because then you don't know yet which stamp someone is offering.

Since when is a stamp that has lost its gum 'unused'? At most it is 'unstamped', but use seems to me to be sufficiently proven.

ja ongestempeld, en waar laten we die dan? en waar denk je dat andere mensen dat soort zegels hebben geplaatst?

En waarom denk je dat er mensen zijn die bij ongebruikt vermelden dat er nog gom en een plakker op zit.

en waarom denk je dan Fazerco dan geen zegels meer koopt op Catawiki.

Hoogstwaarschijnlijk om dat ongestempeld zegels zonder gom en plakker bij ongebruikt bij catawiki staan. 

en dit alles omdat dat vanaf het begin "gebruikt ongestempeld" ontbreekt.

iedereen weet het wel, maar kan zijn zegels niet kwijt, met als gevolg dat ongestempelde zegel als ongebruikt zijn aangemerk en zodanig bij ongebruikt zijn geplaatst.

Dus lijkt mij werk aan de winkel, een kleine toevoeging van een extra gebruiksoort zou dan afdoende zijn.

yes unstamped, and where do we leave it then? and where do you think other people put those kinds of seals?

And why do you think there are people who say when unused that there is still gum and a sticker on it.

and why do you think Fazerco no longer buys stamps on Catawiki.

Most likely because uncanceled stamps without gum and sticker are listed as unused at Catawiki.

and all this because that "used unstamped" is missing from the beginning.

everyone knows it, but cannot get rid of their stamps, with the result that uncancelled stamps are marked as unused and are placed as unused.

So it seems to me that there is work to be done, a small addition of an extra type of use would then be sufficient.

I have no idea where you put those things. Will put the idea on my thinking list.

The fact remains that there is no instruction on how to classify them. How would you do that, Sinbad? They seem to me to be stamps with a value of minus 0, since they are 'mutilated'. Actually, you shouldn't want to trade in that at all, I think.

@Sinbad, beter opletten of lezen.

Dit is wat Facerco vertelde;

Dit is ook wat Erik Broere vertelde:

Postfris

Orginele gom in goede staat zonder plakker(restant). Voor FDC's gebruiken we deze conditie "postfris" voor onbeschreven enveloppen (ook geen uitgegomd adres) in onberispelijke staat. 
 

Ongebruikt

Orginele gom met een plakker(restant) 
 

Gestempeld

Gestempeld exemplaar in goede staat. Voor FDC's gebruiken we deze conditie "gestempeld" voor beschreven enveloppen. 

Wat ik vertelde was, waar laten we dan de zegels die gebruikt zijn en ongestempeld.

immers Arco maakte de opmerking:

Sinds wanneer is een zegel waarvan de gom is verdwenen 'ongebruikt'? Hij is hoogstens 'ongestempeld',

Dus ik beweer niets.

ik weet wel ongebruikt is, maar ik lees zoveel tegenspraken hier.

dan vind ik ook dat er een extra gebruikertype toegevoegd zou moeten worden.

eveneens omdat Arco ook niet weet waar men die zegels plaats.

ik vind het grappig hoor, echter je moet wel beter lezen voordat je wat zegt.

@Sinbad, better pay attention or read.

This is what Facerco told;

This is also what Erik Broere said:

Mint

Original gum in good condition without sticker (remnant). For FDC's we use this condition "MNH" for blank envelopes (also no erased address) in pristine condition.

Unused

Original gum with a sticker (remnant)

Stamped

Stamped copy in good condition. For FDCs, we use this "stamped" condition for written envelopes.

What I was told was where do we put the stamps that are used and uncancelled.

after all, Arco made the remark:

Since when is a stamp with the eraser gone 'unused'? He is at best 'unstamped',

So I'm not claiming anything.

I know it is unused, but I read so many contradictions here.

I also think that an extra user type should be added.

also because Arco does not know where these stamps are placed.

I think it's funny, but you should read better before you say something.

internationally there are 4 grades:

MNH

unused with eraser and with glue (rest)

unused without gum (with or without glue (rest ))

stamped

perhaps to contain these discussions, see when it is feasible to adjust the database for this. This is not such a major intervention and a piece of dissatisfaction has been removed.

You're pretty staunch, Morits. Where do those states come from?

In each section it would be an adjustment of nothing, but not in the case of Stamps. They have a special notation that extends all the way to the collections. I'm not going to get started.

This is what Facerco said;

This is also what Erik Broere said:

MNH

Original eraser in good condition without adhesive (remnant). For FDC's we use this condition "MNH" for blank envelopes (also no erased address) in impeccable condition.

Unused

Original eraser with a patch (remnant)

Stamped

Stamped copy in good condition. For FDCs we use this condition "stamped" for described envelopes.

What I told was, where do we leave the stamps that are used and unstamped.

Let's be clear, those were the conditions according to the CW catalog. Now I hear from you that people indicate when there is gum on it. So that's wrong. You must indicate in your notes if there is no gum on it (whatever you put it under) or any other flaw.

The conditions are clear, but there may be one that is difficult for Arco at the moment. .

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Morits

I totally agree with you. However, there must be computer space. An addition also costs time and money. The only question is whether Catawiki wants to invest,

However, if they want to go international and that is what they want, they will also have to make the addition.

unused without gum ( with or without sticker (rest))

I sell a lot of stamps, especially high nominal values,

German stamps are very popular.

Kind regards,

Micho Rooseboom, a collector

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@Morits: I actually assumed that the section was designed by an experienced hand.