Stamps/first day envelope MNH?38 messages

Hi, I see envelopes for sale on the first day with the mention "MNH" and there are stamps on it, right?

@Sleven, post a song so someone can watch and judge.

It may well be that the catalog contains FDC images with addressing, but that a shop offers the item MNH without having placed its own images of the FDC as they offer it in the shop. Not smart about the shop, but allowed. To be on the safe side, I would always ask the shop if it is correct in such a case, because in the end they have to deliver the condition they promise for the specified price.

E34 for example

A MNH FDC ?!

We can't make it crazier, but we can make it more fun ....

Looks like nothing wrong with E34. The provider even explicitly states that the gum is still okay.

If you click on "Explanation Conditions" for the item you will see that it is very common (in this section).

If I read the question correctly, Sleven does not understand why there are stamps on it when talking about MNH.

Sleven those are the stamps that indicate that the envelope was issued on the first day. without stamps it is just an envelope with a series on it.

Now this is what makes CWPZ so incredible! You can put the purest stuff in it.

That Postzegel1 has with his description or is sleeping because MNH FDC's just DO NOT exist! Or! What may be meant is that the envelope is not addressed, but that is a different story .....

Intact, blank, so unused FDC's are called MNH here. Envelopes with address or sender, or the envelope sealed, etc. is used here. There is a difference in value between the two.

It sounds illogical (it might be), but 'for now' it is useful.

I don't think that decision is that illogical. For stamps MNH means that they have not been used, for envelopes that they have not run. They are two completely different objects.

Q.E.D.

The CWPZ quality mark is nothing!

Arco,

no! Unused stamps are not to be confused with unused stamps!

That the stamps are in the condition as they were delivered by the postal officer at the post office to the customer at the counter or as they were spewed out by a stamp machine in the direction of customer .... Then you speak of MNH, but then the eraser must be on it, not provided with sweat and fingerprints of the customer, etc.

FDCs have been / will be used by the stamp trade for many years (incl. . the stamp shipping shop in Groningen) delivered to the collector. There is no postal officer involved.

With stamps MNH means that they have not been used,

What they want to say with FDCs is

Mint = without address

Unused = address was written in pencil and later erased

Stamped = with typed or Address written with pen.

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*** ** Important = Sinbad did not make this up and Sinbad does not unanimously support this, Sinbad is just the messenger in this, Sinbad would rather not be addressed on this ridiculous logic as Sinbad is not the inventor / introduction of the kul *

We mean the same thing, Rein. And who is the issuer, and whether it is official or not, and what it appears in other catalogs, whether official or not, Catawiki will be a concern.

If we meant the same thing, we would change the terminology!

CataWiki PZ is getting further and further away from philately - as Sinbad said delicately - and the forced desire to follow its own path of CWPZ only contributes even more to this. CWPZ prefers to reinvent philately! And happily throws 150 years of tradition overboard .....

That's right, we would do anything to make it a workable system for the average user. And we (er) do not know a single sacred house. These are small pieces of paper, with various properties, which must be in a database with a good, well-organized arrangement, and which must also be presented in a well-organized manner. It is not more, but certainly not less.

How funny, you don't hear Sleven anymore, apparently shocked by the result he brought about with his question.

As long as first-day envelopes (I don't understand why everyone insists on calling them FDC) are in the stamp section, you can choose between Mint, Unused or Canceled.

I haven't heard of Rein and Sinbad yet how you should qualify such a thing (in whatever state).

Geadresseerd, niet-geadresseerd, weggegumd adres etc...

Je kunt het zo bont maken als je wilt, maar voer geen okselfris in - met of zonder plakker...

Enveloppen met gestempelde zegels  = poststukken - kun je zo indelen naar posthistorisch onbenul zo ver als je wilt gaan, maar stel het nooit op een hoogte met de postzegels zelf en hun verschijningsvormen.... 

Addressed, non-addressed, erased address etc...

You can make it as colorful as you want, but don't enter armpit fresh - with or without a patch...

Envelopes with canceled stamps = postal items - you can classify them according to posthistoric ignorance as far as you like, but never put it up to date with the stamps themselves and their appearances....

Dit probleem is denk ik alleen aan te passen als je de frutsels van de postzegels scheid ofwel een postzegel catalogus en een filalelistische prullaria catalogus de boel (zoals alle andere fillatelistische catalogussen hebben gedaan) uit elkaar trekken en 2 aparte rubrieken van maken

I think this problem can only be corrected if you separate the frills from the stamps, or a stamp catalog and a philatelic knick-knack catalog pull things apart (as all other philatelic catalogs have done) and make 2 separate categories.

Look gentlemen!

With Sinbad a philatelist finally has the floor !!

And I'm not cynical, just sad ....

It's just a very simple practical problem here in CW: there are only 3 fields to indicate the value, as mentioned before. And because it must also be possible to include FDCs in this stamp category, it must be possible to enter the values in these same fields, whether or not incorrectly for FDCs. Nothing more nothing less. And then let's just move on to other things ...

If the tax authorities also so easily swept their system errors under the covers ... Scale more or less - percentage of addition ... Well, everyone gets away with the additional tax ... It seems like CWPZ!

Rein, if you have any more gratuitous comments like this, I'm forced to ban you from the forum again. Otherwise, let's just conclude together that you are actually just too good for Catawiki and call it a day.