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If Kyrgyzstan really remains an exception
I wouldn't bet my money on that. The world of stamps is in flux , and the age-old model of 'one official government postal service' is in a state of dissolution. It is entirely possible that there are already areas where a second (or third) UPU recognized postal service operates.

Now I was also thinking about Stad- en Streekpost . Not to get rid of that type, but to be able to distinguish between the different organizations/firms that provide such services.

It would also be a clean solution for the personal stamps. After all, there are 2 major trends when it comes to personal stamps . The movement of the postal service itself , which also offers (thematically) personalized postage stamps on a large scale, and the 'private' movement, where you and I (based on a fixed frame of the postal service) can have perfectly postage stamps created with our girl next door or the neighbor's cat.
It is the first ones that are very popular, because you have control over them (there is a reasonable overview). Specimens from that second movement ... that is masses and masses of different ones, where no one knows approximately whether 100,000 different ones or 10,000,000 different ones were created per year.
They are all added, but no one can handle it. They are all mixed up. This way you won't get collectors of Personal stamps turned away. they don't like it at all. While the first flow with an Issue field could perfectly be separated (selected, filtered) and therefore become usable for that group.
That's why I once said 'all that crap'. If you throw it all in one heap, there is little you can do with it.

And then the Jul stamps (The Jul stamp area of Denmark already contains many more items than the Denmark stamp area). There is the ' National ', and then there is the ' National ': hundreds of organizations, cities, municipalities, intermunicipal companies, companies, ... that also throw their Jul stamps on the market every year.
To provide some structure, the 'Publisher' field would also come in handy.
It works best with a group issue, per year. But not over the years.
It is not inconceivable that someone specializes in only the Jul stamps issued by the Rotary Club. Quite a large collection area.

There may be situations that I don't immediately think of...
No, I wouldn't bet my money on it.
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I don't know if we are talking about different things, but if I select all items from City and Regional Mail , almost nothing is filled in for Publisher. And the field is also not visible on the item pages.



It's a shame that it doesn't work out for Kyrgyzstan. Is that a technical impossibility?
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The exception for city and regional mail was introduced quite some time ago, and it works well.
Unfortunately, it does not work with Country / area = Kyrgyzstan.
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Perhaps such an exception could also be considered for the City and Regional Post Use Type.
I think portbetaald would appreciate that.
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I would do it that way too.
Bee #2170227, the only question is what you enter as the year, because there are 6 stamps from 1959 and 1 from 1960. (See Details for the item.)
The pop-up screen is clear about this. The year stated for a series is the year in which the first stamps of the series were issued. In your question the year would then be 1959. The actual year of issue is then stated for the individual stamps. The hare (as a separate stamp) is therefore given the year 1960. The manual is silent on this in all languages. This also applies to the month and day added later. You might therefore wonder whether the issue date of the first issued individual stamp of the series must/may/can also be entered for the month and day of a series.
Moreover, after all changes in series and issue group, the pop-up screen must be examined critically. According to the screen, postage stamps issued later belong to 1 series with the previously issued postage stamps.
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The best solution is to make the publisher field visible, if necessary only for Kyrgyzstan for the time being.

If Kyrgyzstan really remains an exception , then I would like to give it a try.
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Apparently the stamp was still printed in 2022, but not issued until 2023. Perhaps it was even the intention to issue the stamp in 2022. I would always use the date of first issue in the year of issue. This is also stated in the pop-up screen. However, the manual does not include the year, month and day fields.
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A bit off topic, but I see that on the KEP website #9708785 was released on January 30, 2023 , although the stamp says 2022. How is such a discrepancy handled?

(By the way, I also see that they issue their own maximum cards (and FDCs). The issuer can be entered if they end up in the LD catalog.)
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PS Does anyone know the name of Kyrgyzstan's older postal service?
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The best solution is to make the publisher field visible, if necessary only for Kyrgyzstan for the time being.
That was my thought too. It is idiotic to look for workarounds in other fields, instead of using the existing Publisher field for its intended purpose.
It will not be much work to program an exception, where the Publisher field (on the input/change form) always becomes visible if the country Kyrgyzstan is selected.
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The Swiss Post solution is not okay in my opinion. They are stamps of a private postal company (where the name says 'Swiss Post') that were (are?) used in Spain. Why a separate area was created for a few dozen issued copies may be based on ignorance at the time. And why should Switzerland be so explicitly included in the name... A letter from Spain to Belgium ( #5453361 ), what does that have to do with Switzerland?
For me, these are items that fall under the Franking usage type in the country/area of Spain. In this case it only concerns foreign mail.
The tour operator takes the mail to the home country, and may deliver it to the local postal authority who will include it in the local delivery process. Swiss Post as a company (full name 'Swiss Post International Spain') had concluded the necessary contracts with the UPU for this purpose.
A service provided by holiday organizer companies, whereby in tourist overpopulated areas the cards and notes have a greater chance of reaching the recipient within a reasonable period of time.
In the normal circuit it could take a long time, and you had already told those friends or family in detail about your trip after returning home. Only then did the card arrive, with a weeks delay, with the message 'We have arrived safely'. While you had already returned safely. In that circuit, as a recipient you had a piece of mail with a real Spanish stamp on it.

Those things can be perfectly recorded within Spain and resolved with the (Series-Series-Issue-Issue group) - name. Both 10 years ago and now. So many different ones haven't appeared until now.

The phenomenon in Kirzigia is not limited. It applies to all mail: domestic and all other countries in the world that are affiliated with the UPU. For private, business and tourist purposes. In the country/area itself (domestic transport of the shipments) of course arranged by one specific company. Once outside, by all those official postal services (of the countries that are members of the UPU).

It can also be taken care of with Issue group.
In any case, a detailed explanation will be necessary. Especially more detailed than the explanation about Swiss Post (also included in the Secret Book of the Secret Club?).
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We have had a similar discussion before, I think with the issue of Swiss postage stamps in Spain. Same problem. Swiss Post pp
There is no solution at this time. You can add KEP to the issue group name as a surrogate. You then get something like 1921 KEP Vogels. We have used something similar before to bring the Cinderella stamps together better. Another alternative is to add the name KEP in the title. However, both alternatives are surrogate solutions and therefore not actually desirable. The best solution is to make the publisher field visible, if necessary only for Kyrgyzstan for the time being. But the aforementioned Swiss postage stamps indicate that this can be expanded. And, if the stamp continues to exist, I only expect further economies of scale and that the national monopolies will be abolished. During this transition, different postal services may be active in a country, making the publishing field inevitable.
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Indeed, the trick with Publisher does not completely have the desired result. You can select it in the country, but you don't see it for those items in the detail of the stamps. Adding that publisher to a stamp is also not that easy. Many users will have difficulty with this.
Always showing the field is a solution, but the advantage of 'fewer fields' for items from the main business (not the production work) then disappears again.

Printer is also not a good choice. KEP may be the client for the printing, but let specialized Secure printers do the work.

I can understand Express as a Usage Type , but it is not correct. Express has a different purpose, not to distinguish between different official postal services within a country/area (with the Use Type filter). However, these items are of the Franking usage type. Also not 'Without postage' Charles1971.

A new field is also not a good idea, you might as well always make 'Publisher' visible.

And as I already wrote: a new country/area is not a good idea.

Curious what the solution will be that will benefit the management of the catalog.
A solution may have to be chosen with disadvantages. Criticism will certainly arise. But a decision is necessary when you see an innocent usage type being abused like this (for more than a year now) ...

I shouldn't be delayed for long. For the time being there are just under 100 items, but it could quickly become more than a thousand. This official postal service has been active since 2012.

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Your reference 1917, 1918 and 1919 State coat of arms (II) doesn't invite to respond. I would like to see the stamps that it's applied to. Like: 1916-1937 Postzegelboekjes, 1916/17 Bulgaarse bezetting van Roemenië, 1917-1925 Portzegels (tanding 11;zonder watermerk) and so your 1917-1919 Staatswapen (II). In the first three cases the added period was not done by the 'beheerders'.  
In your example, the change was made by a "superbeheerder', but it was done on 2023-08-13, long before the latest discussion about 'Uitgifte groep'. So I think it was an attempt to solve a (potential) problem in the catalogue and the only thing you can blame them for is approving their own contribution. I think that must be done with the upmost restraint. That was the way it was done by Postmaster in the past, but nowadays it's used by other managers whenever they can use it. And, by the way, the first person who changed a year of the 'Uitgifte groep' into a period was someone else, probably also meant to solve the same (potential) problem in the catalogue.
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If you select Express in type of stamps you should have only the Express stamps issue for real Express Usage.
That's how it's meant to be and that's the way it should be.
Those KEP stamps deserve a place in the catalogue, but they're not express stamps (at least mostly).
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From a philatelic point of view old Express stamps are very collected particularly those of Italy and unis is a specialised domain of philately so these KEP stamps should never been uber Express this is a big mistake from a philatelic point of view and that make the stamp catalog not at all serious.

If you select Express in type of stamps you should have only the Express stamps issue for real  Express Usage.

These stamps should be in default usage type.
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The intention is that the Publisher field will only be visible when it concerns creation work, so that users are confronted with fewer fields when entering "normal" stamps.
If we are going to allow the stripspeldjes trick, then we need to make the Publisher field always visible.
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stripspeldjes I don't know if the idea is to fill in this field with tricks.
Collectioneur ?
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Now that we have a 'Publisher' field, I would be more inclined to make the distinction with that. But then you have to fill in the field for all stamps of that country, including for the 1st official postal service of the country.
Technically it is possible, but you have to know the trick to be able to fill in the field.
I have added the Publisher "Kyrgyz Express Post (KEP)" to two items .
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Still interesting enough for other users on LD to learn something new here. A 2nd official postal service, recognized by the UPU (including international postal service), in the same country... very special.

Furthermore, something that the super managers Helv and postmaster can make a fuss about and then announce a decision.
What and how for KEP stamps.
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New nonsense.
Look at usage "Express"
what you should have done first (not in a superficial way)



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Regarding Kyrgyzstan Raoul62 , an earlier post,
In Kyrgyzstan there are two postal services recognized by the UPU.
The second is called Kyrgyz Express Post, abbreviated KEP. This postal service was recognized by the UPU in 2013.
Is it possible and desirable to make this into two countries, since they are now mixed up in the LastDodo catalogue?
This is an item from this postal service, recently added to LD, #10101737 .

And here's some additional information

Philately | Kyrgyz Express Post (stamps.kg)

By the way, all other paper catalogs record KEP separately.
There were no issues in the last year due to the war, and with the Covid era there were also fewer issues.

If Kyrgyzstan (KEP) is added, I would like to register as administrator of this area. I have been following this postal service since the beginning.

The answer was negative, no new country. Okay, moving on.

I was more concerned with the express use type, this is a normal postage stamp, possibly with an imprint?. So is it necessary to maintain an express usage type?.
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1917, 1918 and 1919 State coat of arms (II)
Both in the past and now the rule in the manual reads as follows:
"...Year of issue [space] name of the Issue..."
"Year" once and not three times "Year".
Except for a super administrator who approved naturally his own change.
The exception confirms the rule...
Very promising!

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You could place them in a new country/area, but I don't think that's a good idea.
In contrast to the additional areas for stamps that have a different purpose (Jul stamps have a different purpose: collecting funds for a humane charity such as TB control, Illegal issues have a different purpose: deceiving collectors and taking money out of their pockets, Cinderellas have another purpose: to seek support for a 'good cause', which can be either financial or political).

They are stamps from the same country/area, with the same purpose, and fully compliant with UPU. You can perfectly frank foreign shipments in that country with it. However, you can only deposit it in a KEP office.
In other words, it is in no way 'city and regional mail'. There is little chance that you can send something abroad with stamps from a local postal service.

Expresse doesn't really seem applicable to me either. In my opinion, this refers to items that are issued for the accelerated sending of a message (for which you have to pay more).

It is understandable that KEP's stamps were given that usage type, because of the name of that (official) postal service. And because of the desire to be able to select them individually.
Now that we have a 'Publisher' field, I would be more inclined to make the distinction with that. But then you have to fill in the field for all stamps of that country, including for the 1st official postal service of the country.
Fortunately (depending on how you look at it) there aren't that many in the LD catalog for that country yet. It is still doable now. It will become hopeless in the foreseeable future.
Something for the administrator of Kyrgyzstan. In their absence, the super managers.
Or ... if you have ambition as a Chinese volunteer ...?
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Example 4
Common sense says: anyway #8720037 merge with #2166759 .
The newest item (the small series) only has 4 collectors, 2 of which also have the complete series. You could send the other two a message.

1959 Animals and 1960 Animals then (according to my interpretation of the new definition) also belong in the Issue group 1957 Animals .
I would maintain #2170227 as a separate series (for practical reasons), but #5525395 , #8723805 and #5525395 not (because not in shops and virtually no collectors), nor #2400339 .

Bee #2170227, the only question is what you enter as the year, because there are 6 stamps from 1959 and 1 from 1960. (See Details for the item.)
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